tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post160211461112553010..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Some rough water ahead for those who swim the Tiber...Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10005180453972838002015-01-08T12:49:19.344-06:002015-01-08T12:49:19.344-06:00Carl:
Thank you for your list.
Although I have b...Carl: <br />Thank you for your list.<br />Although I have been a (Lutheran) Christian since my baptism on April 6, 1949, I do not regularly use abbreviations. I have trouble with texting stuff, too. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04314080476382907548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-12178246778642347562015-01-08T10:40:09.950-06:002015-01-08T10:40:09.950-06:00For nonLutherans, here are the typical abbreviatio...For nonLutherans, here are the typical abbreviations used for the Lutheran Symbols contained in the Book of Concord (BoC) (in addition to the three Ecumenical Creeds):<br /><br />AC = Augsburg Confession<br />Ap = Apology of the Augsburg Confession<br />SA = Smalcald Articles<br />Tr = Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope<br />SC = Small Catechism<br />LC = Large Catechism<br />FC = Formula of Concord, which has two parts:<br />1. Ep = Epitome<br />2. SD = Solid DeclarationCarl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-24488758945491789992015-01-08T10:28:48.221-06:002015-01-08T10:28:48.221-06:00FC = Formula of Concord (I imagine)
Yes.<i>FC = Formula of Concord (I imagine)</i><br /><br />Yes.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-90279123916414911172015-01-08T10:20:10.121-06:002015-01-08T10:20:10.121-06:00FC = Formula of Concord (I imagine).FC = Formula of Concord (I imagine).William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-13984353366897308292015-01-08T08:09:08.129-06:002015-01-08T08:09:08.129-06:00What is "FC"?
I do not have an M Div.
...What is "FC"? <br />I do not have an M Div.<br />thanksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04314080476382907548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-42214199712687105612015-01-07T17:29:23.714-06:002015-01-07T17:29:23.714-06:00DG: I write as a convert myself. As for oversimp...DG: I write as a convert myself. As for oversimplifying, the idea that one goes to bed a quia subscriber to the FC on Sunday and awakens a rad trad on Monday is simply phantastic.Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-30786502206852128002015-01-07T14:44:57.122-06:002015-01-07T14:44:57.122-06:00"... any Lutheran swimming any body of water ...<i>"... any Lutheran swimming any body of water (Bosprous, Tiber, Thames, Bodensee)didn't do so as a Lutheran, but had first rejected FC and anything associated with it - and for a variety of reasons."</i><br /><br />As noted in a recent <i>Pastoral Meanderings</i> blog [more correctly] titled "<a href="http://pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com/2014/12/another-lutheran-swims-tiber.html?showComment=1419951726190#c6678256151707835387" rel="nofollow"><b>Another Lufauxran Swims the Tiber...</b></a>."Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-39043632072813660132015-01-07T14:36:59.999-06:002015-01-07T14:36:59.999-06:00"Kirk",
That's an oversimplificati..."Kirk", <br /><br />That's an oversimplification of how human beings function.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7399652613516950822015-01-07T14:11:22.384-06:002015-01-07T14:11:22.384-06:00One doesn't leave one faith for another, but l...One doesn't leave one faith for another, but leaves nonthing for something; ie any Lutheran swimming any body of water (Bosprous, Tiber, Thames, Bodensee)didn't do so as a Lutheran, but had first rejected FC and anything associated with it - and for a variety of reasons.Kirk Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-82868432357150800982015-01-07T14:03:37.556-06:002015-01-07T14:03:37.556-06:00Pr Peters stated: "... nor will I here engage...Pr Peters stated: "<i>... nor will I here engage in a debate over the rightness or wrongness of their conclusions.</i>" <br /><br />Of course! When a Lufauxran becames a Romanist, it is simply wrong. There is no debate among Lutherans about this; the debate was previously settled in a series of documents incorporated into what we now call the Book of Concord of 1580.<br /><br />And I was not demanding any such debate with non-Lutherans, especially the <i>Schwärmerei</i> on the other side of the Tiber or Bosporus. <br /><br />My point, was that "<i>what you are leaving from will usually follow you</i>" is a completely insufficient statement concerning the abandonment of the Lutheran confession because of the failures of some pastor, congregation or synod to behave as Lutherans should.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-30488915975410646702015-01-07T12:52:36.127-06:002015-01-07T12:52:36.127-06:00Pr Peters,
or Constantinople, for that matter ......Pr Peters,<br /><br /><i>or Constantinople, for that matter ... what you are leaving from will usually follow you</i><br /><br />Not true, I think, with respect to the Orthodox Church. Orthodoxy has its problems, to be sure, but by and large they are <b>different</b> problems than the <i>ignorance of things catholic, the casual approach to the Mass and piety, the devaluation of orthodox doctrine and practice</i> that you cite here.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-11815568764069808682015-01-07T12:47:20.712-06:002015-01-07T12:47:20.712-06:00Dr Strickert,
The scope of a blog post is necessa...Dr Strickert,<br /><br />The scope of a blog post is necessarily limited. Pr Peters's observation in this post is certainly not the only thing that can be said about people who leave Missouri for elsewhere, nor is it the most important thing to be said; but it is worth saying, and if Pr Peters <i>also</i> discusses every other problem with leaving Lutheranism, the one point that he wanted to make would be obscured.<br /><br />Pr Peters said <i>nor will I here engage in a debate over the rightness or wrongness of their conclusions</i>, but you seem to demand that he should do just that. That only serves to show that you have missed the point.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-77424966664970065422015-01-07T07:00:31.482-06:002015-01-07T07:00:31.482-06:00"It is sufficient here for me to admit that a...<i>"It is sufficient here for me to admit that as tempting as Rome (or Constantinople, for that matter) may be, what you are leaving from will usually follow you."</i><br /><br /><b>That's it?!</b> <br /><br />That's considered "sufficient" warning to a person who has sworn a <i>quia</i> subscription to the Lutheran Confessions, either as a pastor at ordination or as a catechumen at confirmation, before they swim theTober or Bosporus?!?<br /><br />Luther wrote hymns and articles about <a href="http://www.backtoluther.blogspot.com/2015/01/martyrs-5a-leonhard-kaiserresearched.html" rel="nofollow">people who were tortured and burned at the stake</a> for taking that "even unto death" part of their ordination or confirmation vow seriously.<br /><br />But today admitting that apathy, bureaucracy, and carelessness also show up (along with the Antichrist) in the Roman church is considered sufficient for a person to maintain his ordination vow (and the Concordia plan) or confirmation vow. <br /><br />Sigh.....Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com