tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post2299215841214732749..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Pope, councils, and the ordination of women. . . Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-90093092208714824152018-06-05T21:48:58.194-05:002018-06-05T21:48:58.194-05:00The concern is whether CUC's collaboration wit...The concern is whether CUC's collaboration with a Baptist seminary and an XXXA affiliate in a 5-year BA/MDiv pastoral leadership development program is a valid activity in executing "the educational mission of the Church in multiple contexts and multiple nations" for the "innovative delivery of quality, faith based higher education," or whether it is a violation of Article VI.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-84603683769519215842018-06-05T15:33:20.489-05:002018-06-05T15:33:20.489-05:00So what is the difference between what CUC is doin...So what is the difference between what CUC is doing and admitting people of any race, religion, etc.? Half of the Concordias make their money on providing masters degrees to whoever will pay from 95% non-Lutherans generally teaching in public school systems. All CUC is doing is providing undergrad classes to people who are probably not Lutheran and this is what all the rest of the Concordias are doing every day. Sounds like a witch hunt to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-23216252469006404302018-06-05T08:21:30.096-05:002018-06-05T08:21:30.096-05:00Substantiation of the collaborative CU-Chicago/Bap...Substantiation of the collaborative CU-Chicago/Baptist seminary/XXXA affiliate BA/MDiv pastoral leadership development program is provided in the link to Pres. Gard's own statement. The collaboration did not begin when Johnson was CU president.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-57980882081750003882018-06-05T07:12:39.117-05:002018-06-05T07:12:39.117-05:00Some of this depends on the accuracy of the report...Some of this depends on the accuracy of the reporting, and if particular entities are talking up way more than is real. Drs. Gard and Wenthe are solid. But Wenthe is in that "synod is ONLY advisory" area, and Gard has been on the job only a few years. His long time predecessor was John Johnson, who also had a 10 year stint as President of St. Louis. Considering where the seminary has been going for a while and how Dr. Gard inherited River Forest, there is probably a lot of sloppiness that needs cleaning up. At the very least, no more damage to fidelity should be happening.<br /><br />I personally am just suspicious of the truth to the information. Not that we should ever let our guard down, though.<br /><br />Jason Kiefer<br />Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09648337362763755187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-76055511409964777282018-06-04T22:01:46.534-05:002018-06-04T22:01:46.534-05:00And yet a CUS university is in an admitted collabo...And yet a CUS university is in an admitted collaboration with a Baptist seminary and an XXXA-affiliated five-year pastoral leadership development program for men and women to obtain a combined BA/MDiv.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-36661798648013940742018-06-04T21:15:31.358-05:002018-06-04T21:15:31.358-05:00Dr. Wenthe too who is head of the CUS.Dr. Wenthe too who is head of the CUS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-1596851229376737072018-06-04T21:14:20.688-05:002018-06-04T21:14:20.688-05:00Dr. Gard, to any who have met him, is a staunch, c...Dr. Gard, to any who have met him, is a staunch, confessional Lutheran.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-20535293997178511632018-06-04T21:08:34.655-05:002018-06-04T21:08:34.655-05:00David Gray: "The scriptural authority for pre...David Gray: <i>"The scriptural authority for preventing women from voting is quite clear."</i> <br /><br />Mr. Anony Mous on June 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM: <i>"Surely, CU-Chicago is immune to the viruses of heteropraxy, heresy, and apostasy."</i> <br /><br />No doubt the scriptural authority for preventing women from voting (and from ordination) is emphasized in CU-Chicago's quality, faith based <a href="https://www.cuchicago.edu/academics/colleges/college-of-arts/womens-and-gender-studies/women-and-gender-studies/" rel="nofollow">Women's and Gender Studies</a>...<br /><br /><b>... right?</b>Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-35877757052156850102018-06-04T16:16:34.549-05:002018-06-04T16:16:34.549-05:00The scriptural authority for preventing women from...The scriptural authority for preventing women from voting is quite clear. That it is no longer fashionable does not make it any less clear.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10419362291790815682018-06-04T14:57:58.800-05:002018-06-04T14:57:58.800-05:00Forbidding women to vote as once based on clear sc...Forbidding women to vote as once based on clear scripture - now not so clear. Same will happen with ordination.joseph braggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-41546431889866579642018-06-04T14:38:50.106-05:002018-06-04T14:38:50.106-05:00Comparing women suffrage and women's ordinatio...Comparing women suffrage and women's ordination is like comparing<br />football rules to baseball rules. It is not possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-92064682167789040832018-06-04T14:24:46.962-05:002018-06-04T14:24:46.962-05:00All the same was once said about allowing women to...All the same was once said about allowing women to vote. It was contrary to scriptures until new insights were found that allowed it. Shazam! Just like when Bishop Stephan fell and Shazam! it was discovered that bishops are not required.Joseph Braggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7078617730830920982018-06-04T10:15:26.392-05:002018-06-04T10:15:26.392-05:00Either our conservative, confessional approach to ...Either our conservative, confessional approach to the Scriptures will rub off on these students coming from a more liberal faith tradition and they will see the error of their churches' ways or.... In the meantime, there's tuition money to be made out there! Institutions must grow by any and all means. It is easy to overrule institutional purity and exclusivity when educational institutions usually justify their existence with claims of hearing diverse opinions and points of view. Surely, CU-Chicago is immune to the viruses of heteropraxy, heresy, and apostasy. Surely the camel's nose will be batted away and pure doctrine and practice will prevail... right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-52416375548941763902018-06-04T09:54:25.713-05:002018-06-04T09:54:25.713-05:00The ordination of women in the LCMS will never hap...The ordination of women in the LCMS will never happen.<br />This issue is kept alive by the small and aging remnant<br />of the Seminex fiasco. There is no clarion call from the<br />average LCMS parish for women pastors. The New Testament<br />makes it clear that the Pastor should be the husband of<br />one wife and know how to manage his own family if he hopes<br />to manage a church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-45727514710035589982018-06-04T09:06:11.906-05:002018-06-04T09:06:11.906-05:00And "tinkering" (with "more consequ...And "<i>tinkering</i>" (with "<i>more consequences than what anyone could have imagined</i>") includes a Missouri Synod university collaborating with a North American Baptist Conference <a href="https://sfseminary.edu/about-the-seminary/our-history/" rel="nofollow">Sioux Falls Seminary</a>'s <a href="https://www.lutherhouseofstudy.org/about" rel="nofollow">Luther House of Study</a> and <a href="https://www.emmanuelacademies.org/" rel="nofollow">Emmanuel Academies</a>, affiliated with <a href="http://www.naplesemmanuel.org/" rel="nofollow">Emmanuel Lufauxran Church</a> (XXXA), in a five-year pastoral leadership development program in which male and female students "called to serve the church and congregations" will earn both a BA and MDiv.<br /><br />In providing an 11-point "<a href="https://alpb.org/Forum/index.php?topic=7007.msg444410#msg444410" rel="nofollow">bit of explanation</a>," Concordia University-Chicago President Daniel Gard stated that CU's involvement in the pastoral leadership development program is in providing students a 100% on-line Accelerated Degree Program (ADP) in various listed secular majors, such as:<br /><br />• BA, Animation - NEW<br />• BA, Game Art and Design - NEW<br />• BA, Organizational Management<br />• BA, Sports and Recreation Management<br />• BA to MA, Leadership Studies (Dual Degree)<br /><br />Pres. Gard stated, "Concordia Chicago has no role in their admission to any further study or candidacy for ministry in any Church body except the LCMS in those offices authorized by the Synod." <br /><br />Earlier in his statement Pres. Gard noted that "we execute the educational mission of the Church in multiple contexts and multiple nations" in the "innovative delivery of quality, faith based higher education" (e.g., <a href="https://www.cuchicago.edu/academics/colleges/college-of-arts/womens-and-gender-studies/women-and-gender-studies/" rel="nofollow">Women's and Gender Studies</a>). <br /><br />Surprisingly, CU-Chicago doesn't offer a BA in tapdancing.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com