tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post3866361180098062764..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: You could be wrong. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-80493669789531504852019-04-15T16:50:35.545-05:002019-04-15T16:50:35.545-05:00A number of years ago I was conversing with an off...A number of years ago I was conversing with an official (actually a very high one) of the Presbyterian Church (USA) who mentioned to me in an offhanded way that the Presbyterian Church in America (a conservative group) had departed the Reformed faith because it still held to the Westminster Confession. This would be like saying someone who held to the Augsburg Confession had because of that departed Lutheranism. <br /><br />I was young, and my experience with ecclesial insanity was limited at the time, so after I had picked my lower jaw off the floor and made sure I had understood him correctly, asked, in Nicodemean fashion, "But how can these things be?" He raised his finger and replied inarguably, "Ah, but you have to understand, Steve, <i>Ecclesia Reformata semper reformanda</i>." <br /><br />Now, I am as much for paradox as the next man, but have come to believe that the ability to recognize the difference between the paradoxical and the absurd is a grace of which we tend to make too little.Steve Hutchensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-12076933131578676402019-04-15T14:27:58.345-05:002019-04-15T14:27:58.345-05:00The LWF Constitution declares:
"The Lutheran...The <a href="https://www.lutheranworld.org/sites/default/files/2018/documents/lwf_constitution_en.pdf" rel="nofollow">LWF Constitution</a> declares:<br /><br /><i>"The Lutheran World Federation is a communion of churches which confess the triune God, agree in the proclamation of the Word of God and are <b>united in pulpit and altar fellowship</b>."</i> [Emphasis added]<br /><br />How many of these LWF member church bodies are also in altar and pulpit fellowship with the Missouri Synod, which, by doing so, publicly declares that the doctrinal position which permits that church body to be a member of the LWF is congruent with the doctrinal position of the Missouri Synod?<br /><br /><b>Caution</b>: LCMS members responding to this should keep in mind Bylaw 1.8.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-60270331712610117312019-04-15T12:44:09.139-05:002019-04-15T12:44:09.139-05:00Anonymous said...
"119 of the 145 member chu...Anonymous said...<br /><br />"119 of the 145 member churches of the Lutheran World Federation (80%) ordain women as ministers. Do these churches stand on the word of God?"<br /><br />Nice one! Argumentum ad populum<br /><br />https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/24/Appeal-to-Common-Belief<br /><br />Those 119 church bodies that ordain women are losing members at a much faster rate than the 26 church bodies that do not ordain women. Someone may counter that this assertion is false, as Lutheran church bodies in the 3rd world are not shrinking, but growing rapidly. <br /><br />However, in the Lutheran World Federation (LWF), a 3rd world church body would receive financial aid from "1st World" church bodies contingent on it ordaining women. The 3rd world church body ordains women and then carefully hides them from public ministry doing general clerical work in an office.<br /><br />Church bodies argue that they ordain women; therefore, homosexuality is no longer a grave sin and should also be accepted.<br /><br />Would someone be able to find the logical fallacy in the above statement?<br /><br />If the LWF church bodies argue "We can ordain women and celebrate homosexuality, as the bible is silent about this," then why do they choose to ignore St. Paul's specific words about women and homosexuality? Why do they continue to ignore the story of Sodom and Gomorrah? Recall that the Sodomites demanded to "know" Lot's angel guests but not Lot's daughter......<br /><br />I agree that liberal pastors risk being turned away by God for leading the people astray.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-43631749031856115122019-04-15T12:40:32.773-05:002019-04-15T12:40:32.773-05:00Thank you, Pastor Peters, for this thoughtful refl...Thank you, Pastor Peters, for this thoughtful reflection.<br /><br />And thank you to "Anonymous" for pointing out that the Lutheran World Federation (LWF) is filled with apostasy and rot. There is an alternative confederation of *faithful* Lutheran Church bodies who do "stand on the Word of God" called the International Lutheran Council (ILC).Rev. Larry Beanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06705910892752648940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-82006813080351345402019-04-15T11:33:44.604-05:002019-04-15T11:33:44.604-05:00Your article said...
"You see the Church does...Your article said...<br />"You see the Church does not have authority nor do her ministers possess the freedom to impose what they think upon the Word of the Lord that endures forever nor do they possess the right to deviate from the sacred deposit." <br /><br />But this is exactly what Rome, Protestantism and Contemporary Christianity does continually. To say, "except where we think it deviates from Scripture" is the essence of Protestantism and the open door to all interpretations. <br /><br />Christ said he would guide the Church into all truth and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. It is awful to live in a system where the guidance of the Church and the guidance of the Holy Spirit are always debated and uncertain.Joseph Braggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-43597084416725487942019-04-15T09:58:49.276-05:002019-04-15T09:58:49.276-05:00119 of the 145 member churches of the Lutheran Wor...119 of the 145 member churches of the Lutheran World Federation (80%) ordain women as ministers. Do these churches stand on the word of God?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com