tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post4189463173574703315..comments2024-03-29T09:20:16.581-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: What do we have in common with our forbearers?Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-23835405839791509742013-04-16T09:44:10.166-05:002013-04-16T09:44:10.166-05:00To Anonymous.... maybe we should!!To Anonymous.... maybe we should!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-34012189096451039112013-04-15T17:47:03.530-05:002013-04-15T17:47:03.530-05:00We no longer live in the day and time portrayed in...We no longer live in the day and time portrayed in these paintings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-74678176410172268132013-04-15T10:13:12.474-05:002013-04-15T10:13:12.474-05:00These paintings, among other artwork and informati...These paintings, among other artwork and information (in German), can be seen in <a href="http://rogatekloster.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/2011-rogate-kloster-bilder-luth-gottesdienst.pdf" rel="nofollow"><i>Historische Bilder zum Evangelisch-Lutherischen Gottesdienst: Eine Dokumentation</i></a> (Historic photos for Evangelical - Lutheran Worship: A Documentary) Helmut Schatz, Ansbach, 2004, 138 pages) (Note: 53.5 MB file size)<br /><br />The first painting is discussed on pp. 12-15, with the painting shown on p. 14:<br /><br /><i>Abb.6: “Herzog Albrecht von Preußen empfängt in der Domkirche zu Königsberg zum ersten Mal das Abendmahl nach protestantischem Ritus” Aquarell von Karl Ludwig Julius Rosenfelder (1817 – 1881)<br />Sogenanntes “Kleines Hochmeisterbild”<br />Hochmeisterkirche Berlin - Wilmersdorf<br />Foto: Reinhold George</i><br /><br />Fig.6: "Duke Albert of Prussia receives in the cathedral of Königsberg<br />The first time the sacrament after Protestant rite "<br />Watercolor by Karl Ludwig Julius Rosenfeld (1817 - 1881)<br />So-called "Little Grand Master Image"<br />Hochmeister Church Berlin - Wilmersdorf<br />Photo: Reinhold George<br /><br />The second painting is discussed in pp. 16-22, with the painting shown on p. 17:<br /><br /><i>Abb.7: “Kurfürst Joachim II. empfängt das Heilige Abendmahl aus der Hand<br />des Bischofs Matthias von Jagow, Brandenburg, 1539”<br />Gemälde von Carl Röhling, 1913, St. Nicolai, Berlin - Spandau<br />Foto: Kunstdienst der ev. Kirche Berlin - Brandenburg</i><br /><br />Fig.7: "Joachim II receives Holy Communion from the hands<br />Bishop Matthias von Jagow, Brandenburg, 1539 "<br />By Carl Roehling, 1913, St. Nicolai, Berlin - Spandau<br />Photo: Art Service of the Evangelical Church of Berlin - Brandenburg<br /><br />There is also an engraving of the scene on p. 20:<br /><br /><i>Abb.8: “Kurfürst Joachim II. empfängt das Heilige Abendmahl aus der Hand<br />des Bischofs Matthias von Jagow,Brandenburg, 1539”.<br />Stich aus dem 18. Jahrhundert<br />Foto: Staatliche Lutherhalle, Wittenberg<br />( jetzt: “Luther in Sachsen - Anhalt – LuiSA”)</i><br /><br />Fig.8: "Joachim II receives Holy Communion from the hands<br />Bishop Matthias von Jagow, Brandenburg, 1539. "<br />Engraving from the 18th century<br />Photo: State Luther Hall, Wittenberg<br />(Now: "Luther in Saxony - Anhalt - LuiSA")<br /><br />HT: <a href="http://weedon.blogspot.com/2011/05/one-of-many-reasons.html" rel="nofollow">One of the many reasons...</a>Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-68640134420624566512013-04-15T07:58:58.070-05:002013-04-15T07:58:58.070-05:00It's a bit strange, though, the way that the o...It's a bit strange, though, the way that the officiating clergy are vested in what appear to me to be these early/mid 19th-Century paintings. In the first (Koenigsberg) the two clergy appear to be vested in surplices only -- why? (Why especially, given that both Catholic bishops whose see cities were on Prussian territory, Georg von Polentz [d. 1550] and Erhard von Queis [d.1529], both embraced the Reformation?) If the man administering communion in the second is Mathias von Jagow, Bishop of Brandenburg from 1526 to his death in 1544, the man who persuaded Elector Joachim II to embrace the Reformation in 1539, he is also dressed strangely, wearing no episcopal vestments as well.<br /><br />Btw, the Wikipedia article on von Jagow claims he was never consecrated a bishop:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_von_JagowWilliam Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.com