tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post4324445944115850472..comments2024-03-18T12:54:19.748-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Welcome vs Feeling at HomePastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-79287246331126626852010-07-01T17:32:50.890-05:002010-07-01T17:32:50.890-05:00It is a fallacy that the liturgical forms of the O...It is a fallacy that the liturgical forms of the Orthodox are significantly more ancient than the Western Mass form known to Lutherans. Check with Hippolytus or the Didache and you can see the antiquity of the Western form. Certainly it is more fluid than the Eastern form but not necessarily more youthful...Pastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-83156285063052672312010-06-29T08:28:37.122-05:002010-06-29T08:28:37.122-05:00The Eastern Orthodox use the ancient liturgy of th...The Eastern Orthodox use the ancient liturgy of the early church. The Lutheran liturgy uses forms that are much more recent. If I want the historic liturgy, why should I settle for something that is not as authentic in terms of being reflective of the early church?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-9479742785204978042010-06-28T19:24:38.877-05:002010-06-28T19:24:38.877-05:00Your post reminds me of this article entitled &quo...Your post reminds me of this article entitled "The Lord Who Acts Like It" <br /><br />http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/juneweb-only/33-51.0.html <br /><br />"Where did we get the idea that the church should be a place that makes people feel comfortable?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-62562528046011058242010-06-28T09:02:18.170-05:002010-06-28T09:02:18.170-05:00Fr. Peters,
From your lips to God's ears! Or...Fr. Peters,<br /><br />From your lips to God's ears! Or at least to the ears of our presidents and seminaries.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09350908137437557142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-20636508052437809392010-06-26T23:28:33.972-05:002010-06-26T23:28:33.972-05:00Jim, Thanks for the link. Now I'm truly fright...Jim, Thanks for the link. Now I'm truly frightened... I don't know how I alone can stem the tide, as the church council and pastor seem committed to this.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04503743050696171950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-73158673573380429212010-06-26T20:43:31.226-05:002010-06-26T20:43:31.226-05:00Fr. Peters,
In my former life (as a Baptist), we ...Fr. Peters,<br /><br />In my former life (as a Baptist), we tossed our hymnals in order to make folk feel at home. My question was always, "Do they not know how to count?" Then, we changed from printing them on the bulletin to projecting them on a screen. My question was, "Did they lose the bulletin between the door and the pew?" Then we had to dump the pews and go to theater-style seating. My question: actually, I gave up on questions.<br /><br />I agree. The unbaptized cannot feel at home with the baptized. More than just visiting in someone's home, it's like visiting in a home in which the guests and hosts don't speak the same language. There can be smiles, gestures, and the attempt at communication, but the unbaptized don't speak our language.<br /><br />A visitor amongst us is like a person dropped in a foreign country. You (the visitor) HAVE to learn to speak the language if you're going to stay.<br /><br />Added to that, we, the baptized have to be willing to TEACH those who do stay our language. That's another reason why there should be continuing catechesis for all.<br /><br />These aren't my ideas, they come, from of all places, William Willemon, a Methodist bishop (and one who seems to understand the true place of welcome and relevance).Janis Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947508427040251166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-64438413854230167422010-06-26T16:03:22.308-05:002010-06-26T16:03:22.308-05:00sue,
you, and the leaders of your congregation, n...sue,<br /><br />you, and the leaders of your congregation, need to go to the stand-firm blog and educate yourself on the TCN goals and process. If you are concerned about contemporary worship and the changes it brings, you ain't seen nothing yet!<br />http://stand-firm.blogspot.com/2009/04/transforming-churches-network-part-1.htmljim claybournhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06997103730654160272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-33480370989627972422010-06-26T13:29:38.744-05:002010-06-26T13:29:38.744-05:00My church is moving towards more frequent contempo...My church is moving towards more frequent contemporary worship, including worship in the gym instead of the sanctuary. One reason given is so visitors will be attracted and feel "at home". I really don't like this, but am in the minority, I'm afraid. Even our pastor agrees with this reason. I'm concerned about moving away from our Lutheran identity, and driving away those who would actually like our liturgical worship. I don't like the direction we're heading. We are about to begin a 3-year TCN program, so expanding the contemporary worship is on hold for now. I'm hoping this will help more voices be heard instead of just that small minority who seem to have the power. Thanks for a great post. I will use it to express my views during this project.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04503743050696171950noreply@blogger.com