tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post4401053808342936912..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: More important than many care to note. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-15905151559564394162019-04-10T10:55:21.873-05:002019-04-10T10:55:21.873-05:00The cover of Al Barry's book, To the Ends of t...The cover of Al Barry's book, <a href="https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/to-the-ends-of-the-earth-a-journey-through-acts_al-barry/1263796/#isbn=0570049857&idiq=6743790" rel="nofollow"><i>To the Ends of the Earth : A Journey Through Acts</i></a>, had the title on the top half of the cover, a map of the world on the bottom half and "A.L. Barry" in smaller font at the very bottom.<br /><br />Jerry Kieschnick's book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Waking-Sleeping-Giant-American-2009-11-01/dp/B01FGM8QXY/" rel="nofollow"><i>Waking the Sleeping Giant: The Birth, Growth, Decline, and Rebirth of an American Church</i></a> has "Rev. Dr. Gerald B. Kieschnick" at the top of the cover just above the title.<br /><br />BTW, the phrase "sleeping giant" comes from a <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=CMEsl5selikC&pg=PR10&f=false#v=onepage&q&f=false" rel="nofollow">Foreword by Billy Graham</a> to James Kennedy's 1970 <i>Evangelism Explosion</i> book, referring to a Canadian pastor using the term to describe the laity. Billy Graham also referred, at various times, to the Roman Catholic Church, the Methodist Church, and Native Americans, as a "sleeping giant."Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-52990928127062803502019-04-10T09:08:29.267-05:002019-04-10T09:08:29.267-05:00@Anon833
I'm sorry, just where does Jesus ban...@Anon833<br /><br />I'm sorry, just where does Jesus ban women lectors? (You said 'get mad at Jesus', so I suppose He bans the practice.) If you cannot understand that there is a huge difference between allowing women to be lay readers and ordaining them as pastors, then I don't know if anyone can help you. My guess is that while you would probably find few active pastors in the Synod who reject women serving as lay readers, you would find even fewer active pastors who support women's ordination.<br /><br />I do not know why you are so upset with President Kieschnick putting out a book and using the (honorary) title of "Dr." on it. Al Barry did the same thing. In 1997, he published a book called 'To the Ends of the Earth' which was then used as the theme of the convention. He used the title "Dr." consistently (although it was also honorary). I agree with Carl that such terminology should only be used by those who have earned the degree, not by those who have an honorary one, but this is the Synod's tradition and I doubt it will go away.<br /><br />I agree with what Pastor Peters writes here. I also think it would behoove us to spend time in prayer for the convention and the Synod leadership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-60661333571132838312019-04-10T04:46:00.496-05:002019-04-10T04:46:00.496-05:00Pastor Peters, thank you for this post. I could no...Pastor Peters, thank you for this post. I could not agree more strongly with the BEST preparation for a Synodical Convention delegate being a thorough review of the core confessional documents of our Church. Sometimes folks rag on the LCMS structure, but you know, it works well when you bring the assumption to it that its founders had: that those who are operating within it are Lutheran not by accidental association, but by conviction of heart and confession. At bare minimum if delegates would read and study the Augsburg Confession and the Small Catechism, they’d be far better equipped to do the work they gather for than by reading any piece written in the last year to sway opinion. William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-15065955886034641862019-04-09T15:17:26.293-05:002019-04-09T15:17:26.293-05:00Delegates to the synod convention should also read...Delegates to the synod convention should also read C.F.W. Walther's <i>Church and Ministry</i> or at least Walther's <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9JpY979oTdlc0ZMNzZQVnoxcHc/view" rel="nofollow">Theses on Church and Ministry</a> (in German and various translations). These theses of Walther have been been the official position of our Synod on church and ministry since 1851 (reaffirmed in 2001), and Walther's book has been declared the definitive statement under Holy Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions of the Synod’s understanding on the subject of church and ministry, to be honored and upheld by all pastors, professors, teachers of the church, and congregations.<br /><br />As in previous convention years, these theses are likely to be important in considering some of the proposed resolutions dealing with the polity, structure and operation of the synod and how the synod and congregations relate to each other.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-44767422971961908572019-04-09T12:06:18.379-05:002019-04-09T12:06:18.379-05:00In the weirdo-verse that Carl V. inhabits the item...In the weirdo-verse that Carl V. inhabits the items he keeps copying/pasting over and over ad infinitum actually matter. The rest of us just read his endless repetitions and laugh, hard and often. <br /><br />It is admirable that Pr. Peters continues to tolerate his presence on his blog site. It is a kindly gesture toward a dotard such as Carl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-12239681034801764772019-04-09T11:55:28.917-05:002019-04-09T11:55:28.917-05:00"We need to make sure that we are students of..."We need to make sure that we are students of the Word and students of the Book of Concord before we study up on what the old voices of discontent in our church body and the new voices of change are saying. Perhaps we need an SAT or ACT exam on Lutheran teaching and practice before exercising the vote."<br /><br />Agreed. LCMS leaders like to spend more time and energy reviewing and making bylaws and resolutions instead of studying and promoting the Lutheran confessions. Suggestion: Would it be possible to eliminate some of those bylaws that no one, neither "old voices" nor "new voices," bothers to follow in the first place?<br /><br />No one wants to address the issue that the mega-churches offer a watered-down (Baptist) theology that is hostile to the Lutheran confessions. How should confessional Lutherans witness to the unchurched hipsters? If Lutheran congregations were to offer a product indistinguishable from the non-denominational mega-church, the hipsters will laugh at them:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.bitchute.com/video/pKBRx2UYaxM/" rel="nofollow"><b>The Truth About Hipsters</b></a><br /><br />"All Hipsters look the same. All megachurches look the same."<br /><br /><b>The core problem with becoming an LCMS Lutheran is that the new Lutheran layman begins to view not just Lutheran theology, but all Christian theology through a political lens.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89575123813060076472019-04-09T11:27:50.952-05:002019-04-09T11:27:50.952-05:00Hello Pastor Peters,
Yes, I am a delegate from th...Hello Pastor Peters,<br /><br />Yes, I am a delegate from the WY district and I have been receiving some "funny" mail to say the least. Thanks for your helpful advice, and I will do all the things you list here. I was reading my AC last night, and have spoken to my pastor about how to vote on a number of issue. Thanks for this post, and I will continue in prayer and study of the important issue of this convention.<br /><br />In Christ,<br /><br />Benjamin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-15683475318121132222019-04-09T10:02:26.575-05:002019-04-09T10:02:26.575-05:00Anon 833.
The Bible bans women lectors, women giv...Anon 833. <br />The Bible bans women lectors, women giving children sermon in the Congregation worship setting. Get mad at Jesus. Where does it come from? Heterodox churches introduce it! Those who dismiss God's Word to allow it. How else can you do it? When you dismiss God's Word (Ordain Women) and make worship a work of the people (Vatican 2 introduces it) that's where this comes from in the last 100 years, and into the LCMS after Rome's Vatican 2.<br /><br />And Harrison uses a theme for a convention and matches it with a devotional book on the Catechism. How is that bad? Better than the last SP who puts out a book (that no one wants to buy) before a Convention, fills the cover with his face in full color and phony tile of doctor (it was honorary!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-39450247276303759882019-04-09T09:50:41.771-05:002019-04-09T09:50:41.771-05:00Speaking of reducing shenanigans and goofiness, ma...Speaking of reducing shenanigans and goofiness, maybe convention delegates will propose and pass a resolution that Synod and District executives and administrators <a href="http://www.formsofaddress.info/Degree_Honorary.html" rel="nofollow">not include "Dr." in their title</a> unless it is an earned academic doctorate from an accredited school.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7079026759249617522019-04-09T08:33:51.020-05:002019-04-09T08:33:51.020-05:00I don't care what anyone says, making the conv...I don't care what anyone says, making the convention theme the same as the name of a book you wrote is pure genius. Absolute. Gold. <br />Collver who? Engelbrecht goofiness? Just ignore it all while we vote on banning lay lectors...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-65737131740625777142019-04-09T07:22:43.994-05:002019-04-09T07:22:43.994-05:00"There are enough shenanigans and goofiness i...<i>"There are enough shenanigans and goofiness in this preconvention time to make even the most stoic among us nervous."</i> <br /><br />Like claiming the Missouri Synod is a "Church" or that District Presidents are "<a href="http://pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com/2019/01/are-they-really-bishops.html" rel="nofollow">Bishops</a>."<br /><br /><i>"I am far removed from the halls of power. I have opinions and sometimes people agree with them but I have little influence and little desire to be a king maker."</i><br /> <br />Says a member of the CCM.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com