tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post4956553856249017351..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Canned music. . . we have gotten used to it. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-81291499608223431762018-06-17T21:40:34.275-05:002018-06-17T21:40:34.275-05:00Free ringtones for everyone.
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What level does givi...Okay, here's a question.<br /><br />What level does giving in a church need to reach to be able to afford paying a musician? $150,000 annually? I really don't know. And it would depend at least in part, I suppose, on the maintenance needs of the building. David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-46121314746505972192016-11-05T10:27:52.453-05:002016-11-05T10:27:52.453-05:00BTW, when I said "several" musicians I m...BTW, when I said "several" musicians I meant we kept them, paid them commensurate with their service and ability, and nurtured a strong and fruitful relationship with them -- not that there were but a few who we good among the many. I have seldom encountered a parish musician like the problem ones claimed above. I have encountered many churches unwilling to honor their service or pay them. The laborers are worthy of their wages. <br /><br />The Levites had no land but they were cared for by those who did. Do we expect the HVAC man to put in furnace or air conditioner for free and service it? Do we expect the plumber to do the same? Do we expect the insurance man to cover the cost of the church's insurance? Do we expect the pastor to serve us because he loves serving?<br /><br />I am not trying to offend but to ask why we would settle for canned music, with no chance of a choir or other instruments, all presumably because we had problems with one along the way. I believe that the choice to settle for canned music is driven by other factors and not many of them good, right, or salutary.Pastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-34119579537047688512016-11-05T10:21:02.960-05:002016-11-05T10:21:02.960-05:00This from the Church of Johann Sebastian Bach, Joh...This from the Church of Johann Sebastian Bach, Johann Gottfried Walter, Johann Pachelbel, etc...????? This from the heirs of him who said "music was handmaiden to the Word" -- a very high place, indeed???<br /><br />Come on. You mean to tell me that you had experience with an organist who was a problem that has cast aside a whole Lutheran identity and heritage of music in service to the Word and in praise to God and left us with a CD you turn on and turn off? I do not believe it. I do not believe that what might be serviceable as an option in necessity could or should be the norm for the Church of Luther and Bach and so many other cantors, parish musicians, composers, etc...<br /><br />By the same kind of logic you would swear off beef cause you got a tough steak or women because you had a bad experience with one (or men for women), or cars for one that did not serve you well. Or, going to church because you got a dud for a pastor once! Read through the Scriptures at all the notations for music in service to the Lord and tell me that God meant that the ultimate expression of this would be a machine with a recording?!?<br /><br />There are great musicians out there. I have served with several over many years who are exemplary musicians and better, they are exemplary leaders of the people's song from the organ console. I understand the struggle to find one but I challenge the wisdom that it is not worth the struggle and the parish musician is not worth having. It does not accord with Scripture's words or example, with the history of the churches called Lutheran, or the great power of music to serve the Word for the good of hearer, singer, and church.Pastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-24891621271750867162016-11-04T20:43:22.137-05:002016-11-04T20:43:22.137-05:00>> They figured that if the new people visit...>> They figured that if the new people visiting them wanted that kind of thing, they would go somewhere else and it was a consequence of their decision they were willing to live with. <br /><br />For Aaron's sons you shall make coats and sashes and caps. You shall make them for glory and beauty. (Exodus 28)<br /><br />Music to coats and sashes and caps, not too much of a stretch I hope!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-67175734492349170812016-11-04T15:59:51.412-05:002016-11-04T15:59:51.412-05:00The continuing Anglican church I attend recently w...The continuing Anglican church I attend recently went to the "canned" music option. Someone pushes buttons on a machine and we have organ music. We had an elderly organist for several years. Her playing was fair at best and she clashed with our priest. But she was a faithful member. She finally had a blow up with our priest, was removed, and left the church.<br /><br />But I must say I don't really mind the canned music. The quality is far better than our prior organist. And no personality conflicts. Likewise, our church is very small and the cost or an organist was difficult to manage. Pastor Peters, I think you're being too harsh on those you use canned music. For many churches, that is the only realistic option.<br /><br />Lastly, I think of the Orthodox church. No music in most of their churches. They typically have wonderful cantors and choirs which sing without music. Some of the most beautiful liturgies and music I've experienced have been in Orthodox churches. <br /><br />James Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-21710971578936062702016-11-04T09:46:11.664-05:002016-11-04T09:46:11.664-05:00Having worshiped in the past at a church that had ...Having worshiped in the past at a church that had "canned" music and presently at one with a paid organist I will tell you that the canned music was the much better experience. It was nice to be able to hear the people singing (with enthusiasm) hymns that they obviously knew and loved. I attend the "traditional" service at my church, the one which the "minister of music" feels is a waste of her time and talent. She doesn't so much play the organ as attack it and likes to pick songs that are unfamiliar and difficult to sing (not that you can hear yourself over the organ). Papa Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08295777344694074795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-31537179664974823312016-11-04T06:56:01.652-05:002016-11-04T06:56:01.652-05:00I've never worshiped in a church with canned m...I've never worshiped in a church with canned music but neither have I worshiped in one large enough to be able to afford paying a musician.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-63368095973804946432016-11-04T06:54:07.450-05:002016-11-04T06:54:07.450-05:00Finding a musician is no problem; finding one who ...Finding a musician is no problem; finding one who believes his role to be supporting congregational singing rather than being the center of attention with the congregation supporting him is another matter completely.<br /><br />Canned music may not be ideal, but neither is a "worship director (read: public nuisance)" who views the liturgy as a blank canvas awaiting his artistry, or a liturgist (read: egomaniacal buffoon) who revels and specializes in fixing what was never broken (eg you-know-who.<br /><br />Pr P, if none of the above applies to you then you may consider yourself and your congregation to be truly blessed.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com