tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post5224804232716712407..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: The Reform of the ReformPastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-54949626497292332952011-09-26T09:13:55.867-05:002011-09-26T09:13:55.867-05:00Why sure they can, whichever anonymous you are. T...Why sure they can, whichever anonymous you are. That's about all you see in the synod to-day, people reading sources and borrowing phrases from outside Lutheran tradition to be "post" whatever Lutheran benchmark they set and make it Lutheran -- Bull Hybels, Benedict XVI, Rick Warren, Timothy "Kallistos" Ware, doesn't matter. A real novelty would be turning to a Lutheran source to learn to be Lutheran!<br /><br />"Reform of the reform", as with all the other borrowings, has a specific meaning in a specific context, neither of which meaning not context are ours.<br /><br />BTW, unless I am mistaken, I did not say Pastor Peters used semper reformanda, I said "we get", as in it appeared, not :he said".Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-42922500296736889072011-09-26T08:35:43.526-05:002011-09-26T08:35:43.526-05:00Judas H. Priest....Terry is the
star contributor t...Judas H. Priest....Terry is the<br />star contributor to this blog. Let<br />the man have some slack, he is only<br />trying to keep everyone honest since<br />Vatican II. His wisdom exceeds<br />the narrow confines of the BOC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-43278229401318811962011-09-26T07:22:05.957-05:002011-09-26T07:22:05.957-05:00Jeepers, Terry, can't a guy read from a source...Jeepers, Terry, can't a guy read from a source or borrow a phrase from outside Lutheran tradition (or post 1839 Lutheranism)??? You seem poised to jump on every remark as if you were the Lutheran police. BTW, unless I am mistaken, Pastor Peters never used semper reformanda -- a commenter did!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-67075375522321300452011-09-25T21:54:36.547-05:002011-09-25T21:54:36.547-05:00Reform of the reform? Judas H Priest, first we ge...Reform of the reform? Judas H Priest, first we get a Calvinist phrase (semper reformanda) now we get an RC one, used to describe yet another effort in the RCC to revive the failed Vatican II but yet another version of the "real" Vatican II. Lutheran stuff is not explainable in either of these foreign phrases.<br /><br />And no we are not Christians first and Lutherans second. We are Lutheran, as by convention it is called, because we believe this IS the Christian faith rightly confessed. The BOC says Christian, not Lutheran. Certainly saving faith is possible outside confessing Lutheranism, but that is God's business, not ours, to judge, and saving faith carries the promise of Christ that not even the gates of hell can overcome it. Not even the RCC.<br /><br />What is confused here too is that the "evangelical Lutheran church" is no co-extensive with LCMS.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-59811293641889584102011-09-25T17:37:35.455-05:002011-09-25T17:37:35.455-05:00C.F.W. Walther did write "The Evangelical Lut...C.F.W. Walther did write "<a href="http://www.reclaimingwalther.org/articles/cfw00006.htm" rel="nofollow">The Evangelical Lutheran Church the True Visible Church of God on Earth</a>."Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89881754255904889152011-09-25T17:33:44.426-05:002011-09-25T17:33:44.426-05:00"So being in Heaven with Our Lord does not me..."So being in Heaven with Our Lord does not mean you got it right." Maybe it's the Sunday dinner talking, but I find that statement positively fascinating. As a sweet grandmotherly parishioner I know might say, "That's embroidery-worthy!" A tip of the Grey Goose to you, Segfault Reloaded.Irenaeusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-18688912817538512652011-09-25T15:51:10.544-05:002011-09-25T15:51:10.544-05:00Anonymous commenting above me is equivocating. Man...Anonymous commenting above me is equivocating. Many will be saved who do not proclaim the Gospel rightly; right proclamation is not necessary for salvation. So being in Heaven with Our Lord does not mean you got it right.Segfault Reloadedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03485233551334586210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10631547507309323652011-09-25T13:04:10.544-05:002011-09-25T13:04:10.544-05:00If Lutherans claim to be the only
church in which ...If Lutherans claim to be the only<br />church in which the Gospel is<br />rightly proclaimed and Sacraments <br />rightly administered, then we are<br />claiming to the be the only true<br />church. That type of claim is<br />conceited, because there will be<br />Christians in heaven who are not<br />Lutheran.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-45467224167793118542011-09-25T12:30:01.884-05:002011-09-25T12:30:01.884-05:00But do not we as Lutherans claim to be the Church ...But do not we as Lutherans claim to be the Church in which Gospel is rightly proclaimed and the sacraments rightly administered? Or do we claim we only confess one version of what is a faith of many different versions?<br /><br />You must have missed the post below. Read it.<br /><br />http://pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com/2011/08/cross-post-from-pr-wil-weedons-blog-and.htmlPastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-63995818917340521992011-09-25T08:57:20.213-05:002011-09-25T08:57:20.213-05:00There seems to be confusion about
Lutheranism vers...There seems to be confusion about<br />Lutheranism versus Christianity.<br />We are Christians first and Lutherans<br />second. Christ established the<br />Holy Christian Church not any<br />denomination called Lutheranism.<br /><br />Our renewal comes through daily<br />repentance of our sins and the pardon<br />we receive from Christ. When Christ<br />returns on the Last Day, He will<br />be looking for Christians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com