tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post6455703173692215415..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Dismissed or SentPastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-29263218369779147402011-08-11T15:50:47.798-05:002011-08-11T15:50:47.798-05:00No, we don't across the board share a common 1...No, we don't across the board share a common 1000 year history with the Roman, Anglican, Orthodox and other churches.<br /><br />What most in the Western liturgical churches share is a roughly half-century old tradition of a cafeteria made up of bits and pieces from tradition fashioned into new wholes replacing the various traditional ones.<br /><br />Ite missa est exemplifies the point. That is traditional; option A, B, C or D for saying Ite missa est isn't.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-71049883464835871872011-08-11T15:14:50.785-05:002011-08-11T15:14:50.785-05:00Oh, we share the same theology as Rome?
Now I'...Oh, we share the same theology as Rome?<br /><br />Now I'm really chuckling.<br /><br />When you've experienced what Rome is *really* like come back and tell me about it.<br /><br />My mother's European Lutheran congregation only practiced Holy Communion quarterly, but it was with a love and reverence that many Catholics don't even come close to these days. I don't blame them, it's the poor catechesis they've received since Vatican II.<br /><br />And the Episcopalians? Now I'm about to snort coffee up my nose. You mean, the Episcopalians who along with the ELCA Lutherans (who, presumbably also share that "common history") now have women "bishops"?? (even though Rome has declared their ordinations null and void).<br /><br />Please!<br /><br />ChristineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-21540226458191789892011-08-11T14:25:12.680-05:002011-08-11T14:25:12.680-05:00when Lutherans are so enamored of Roman forms?!?
...when Lutherans are so enamored of Roman forms?!?<br /><br />What forms? Ite messa est was in existence long before it was Roman. Everytime liturgy or worship or something like it gets mentioned, some get their Roman finding lenses on and in their haste to point out romanisms miss the whole point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-31130266775573308912011-08-11T13:33:17.176-05:002011-08-11T13:33:17.176-05:00They aren't Roman forms, Christine!! We Luther...They aren't Roman forms, Christine!! We Lutherans share the same 1,000 years of history, theology and culture that the Romans, and the Greek Ortho's, the Coptics and the Episcopalians do! And then, we've had 500 years to take that base and craft our unique Lutheran identity which might outwardly look Roman, but the theology behind it is not. Your constant criticism and harpings get a bit tiresome.<br /><br />'Go in peace, to love and serve the Lord' is how my congregation is sent. Along with, often, that beautiful hymn that begins:<br />'Go my children, with my blessing, never alone'.....Bill S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-82387508920791514632011-08-11T10:35:21.276-05:002011-08-11T10:35:21.276-05:00Have you missed it again?
Insofar as you are -- a...Have you missed it again?<br /><br />Insofar as you are -- again -- referring to Roman usage, with all due respect, yes.<br /><br />There was an interesting column this morning on the web by a Roman Catholic bishop describing how disappointed he was when he attended a mass for the Transfiguration at a Catholic parish while he was vacationing. To say that the presiding priest played fast and loose with the rubrics is to put it mildly. I can relate, having experienced that myself as a former Catholic.<br /><br />Another Catholic left this comment:<br /><br /><i>Here’s how we really feel and what we would like to tell every priest ‘off the book’: We have a right to know what to expect at mass. Don’t you dare change anything on purpose. How rude and ego driven to think you can improve on the mass. We are sick and tired of being ‘roaming’Catholics in our diocese looking for the best mass we can find.<br /><br />Of course, we offer it up but we do ache when everything isn’t correct because we love the mass and our Lord’s celebration. It’s not about the priest’s personality or the joke of the day etc.,it’s about giving the best worship we can give to our God. If a priest sets a different tone and he is God’s special servant, how can we lay people hope to improve our spiritual life?</i><br /><br />So, yes, I do find it incomprehensible when Lutherans are so enamored of Roman forms.<br /><br />ChristineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-35085275599287205272011-08-11T09:47:54.150-05:002011-08-11T09:47:54.150-05:00Have I missed it again? I read what I write and s...Have I missed it again? I read what I write and sometimes I am not sure why what I write is so unclear. To go in peace is NOT a different message than the peace the Lord gives you in the benediction but merely a reminder that we leave with this peace -- not to return home and hoard His blessing or to go back to our old ways of doubt, disobedience, and sin but to love and serve the Lord in all that we are and do. My point was simply that -- we are not dismissed but sent forth in the peace of the Lord (received through Word and Sacrament) to fulfill our baptismal calling...Pastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89850990337530146182011-08-11T08:52:49.465-05:002011-08-11T08:52:49.465-05:00It is difficult to improve on the
Aaronic Benedict...It is difficult to improve on the<br />Aaronic Benediction (Numbers 6:24-26<br /><br />To receive the LORD'S Blessing is<br />a wonderful way to go from the<br />sanctuary into the work week. It<br />is significant that the last word<br />is PEACE. The Lord gives you peace<br />is not the same as "go in peace."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7176289897062170152011-08-11T08:13:44.265-05:002011-08-11T08:13:44.265-05:00The Roman Missal. Tweaking a few words here and t...The Roman Missal. Tweaking a few words here and there, changing "and also with you" to "and with your spirit" (the authentic meaning of which most Catholic people don't know anyway) ain't gonna change much of anything.<br /><br />I have always loved that Lutherans use the Aaronic blessing and that we still use the Nunc Dimittis in our Service of the Sacrament.<br /><br />I don't miss any of the Roman forms at all.<br /><br />ChristineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com