tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post6898929442130504159..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: A First in Canada. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-14553592572011561522011-10-04T15:22:20.060-05:002011-10-04T15:22:20.060-05:00If I remember correctly, there was a provision in ...If I remember correctly, there was a provision in the "altar and pulpit" thing where future ELCA episcopal consecrations would be held with ECUSA participation so "apostolic succession" would be restored, but existing ordination were grandfathered.<br /><br />Hell, if it matters, it matters, and you either don't wink where it wasn't present or you don't insist on it being present just from going forward. Bogus as it gets.<br /><br />Just people who like to dress up and play church, and with their churches dwindling, need a bigger church for their charades.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7166119899771204472011-10-04T13:29:09.103-05:002011-10-04T13:29:09.103-05:00When the ELCA declared altar and pulpit fellowship...When the ELCA declared altar and pulpit fellowship with the Episcopal church (and others) it was telling that the most outspoken critics in the ELCA were not against the agreement because of a difference of doctrines, but rather apostolic succession, for fear their pastors would be second class citizens. Their fears were apparently unfounded. Unfortunately the elephant in the room was as usual, completely ignored.Rev. Allen Bergstrazernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-73645972267979967952011-10-04T13:03:30.017-05:002011-10-04T13:03:30.017-05:00Think of the truths that cannot be taught to the c...Think of the truths that cannot be taught to the children in those churches because the leaders don't want to offend any sinners and are ashamed of both the law and the gospel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-31266716892942649462011-10-04T13:00:57.720-05:002011-10-04T13:00:57.720-05:00What percent of the members of those churches coul...What percent of the members of those churches could even tell you the difference between Anglican and Lutheran? Of course, they don't mind, they have no idea what the churches (used to) teach. Dumbing down in order to get a sort of superficial unity. There is probably less agreement within either the ELCA or the Anglican churches than there is between them. People nowadays in those denominations are free to believe whatever they want as long as they keep filling the offering plate. They are social clubs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-22340401351216129342011-10-04T08:13:15.781-05:002011-10-04T08:13:15.781-05:00A first, but it won't be the last, and not jus...A first, but it won't be the last, and not just in Canada.<br /><br />However, utterly predictable. An outward structural and liturgical unity does not produce orthodoxy and does not induce orthodoxy. And that is why one finds heterodoxy despite those things. The fruit does not produce the flower.<br /><br />It is entirely understandable to took to these things amid our problems, but imposition of them is not the answer and heterodox churches are the result. They just look nicer in their photo ops and liturgical shows.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.com