tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post7648749261122114492..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Worship as Repentance. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-16526434172588732872014-09-21T21:27:53.446-05:002014-09-21T21:27:53.446-05:00NALC is "consistent" in its support and ...NALC is "consistent" in its support and practice of WO.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-56486248370649708362014-09-15T08:04:18.537-05:002014-09-15T08:04:18.537-05:00LCMC is a very loose confederation of churches and...LCMC is a very loose confederation of churches and clergy. It is not a confessional church body in the way we generally use that term. The individual congregations have broad latitude about doctrine and practice so there is no consistency. There is more consistency in the NALC. Take it from one who found out the hard way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-47909346366621390012014-09-15T06:07:07.265-05:002014-09-15T06:07:07.265-05:00>>Both Nestingen and Sundberg favor, IIRC, W...>>Both Nestingen and Sundberg favor, IIRC, WO<br /><br />IN my last parish the largest "Lutheran" congregation in town (3,000+) had left the ELCA for the LCMC. I discovered that many LCMS people moving to the area were confused by the similarity of the acronyms LCMC and LCMS, and the pastors there encouraged this by saying things like, "Oh, yes, we're the same as the LCMS." But we got some LCMS refugees who had unwittingly joined there the first time a (trans)vested woman appeared prancing in the chancel.<br /><br />In my present parish there is a large congregation in the community that broke off from a different, Protestant denomination over homosexual issues. They tout themselves as being REALLY conservative—and people seem to have swallowed that. But the senior pastor's wife is also a "pastor," and their new denomination "takes no stand on controversial issues" such as women's ordination—and homosexuality! <br /><br />Yes, we may perhaps be able to learn things and gain valuable insights from those who support women's ordination and other heresies, but in my books anyone who supports women's ordination has lost any claim to being Lutheran, orthodox, or "conservative."Kebashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01612781671623633300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-34581529284227342942014-09-11T21:33:44.807-05:002014-09-11T21:33:44.807-05:00Both Nestingen and Sundberg favor, IIRC, WO.Both Nestingen and Sundberg favor, IIRC, WO.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-5733635766821788842014-09-11T13:54:59.138-05:002014-09-11T13:54:59.138-05:00I'm sure there are believers in both Rome and ...I'm sure there are believers in both Rome and the ELCA. But I do wonder about going to a man for wisdom who is presumably capable of a complex understanding of things yet can't bring himself to leave an apostate church like the ELCA. If he says 2+2=4 he'll be right but I'll tend to want to check his math.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-40392280638370474522014-09-11T12:34:15.292-05:002014-09-11T12:34:15.292-05:00Jim Nestingen was a member of the faculty there. ...Jim Nestingen was a member of the faculty there. Even when they tried to put him out, he sued, and WON.Janis Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947508427040251166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-28339248267456822462014-09-11T12:33:05.061-05:002014-09-11T12:33:05.061-05:00@ David Gray. Not all Israel is Israel. Just as ...@ David Gray. Not all Israel is Israel. Just as our Confessions say there are true believers even within Rome, there are 'sons of Israel' even in the ELCA. Not all have jumped ship, I am sure; even someone as visible as an author. Janis Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947508427040251166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-43184994630593953022014-09-11T07:34:06.121-05:002014-09-11T07:34:06.121-05:00I'm tempted to buy the book but I am a little ...I'm tempted to buy the book but I am a little concerned that Sundberg has been a member of the Luther Seminary faculty. I'm prone to distrust someone at home in the ELCA.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.com