tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post117773920377833581..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: In conflict with the faith, creed, and doctrine of the Church of SwedenPastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-29900907265489850622014-11-06T04:40:24.883-06:002014-11-06T04:40:24.883-06:00THE VIRGIN MARY AND THE TRUTH by steve finnell
A...THE VIRGIN MARY AND THE TRUTH by steve finnell<br /><br />Are the man-made denominational doctrines about the Virgin Mary supported by Scripture? No, they are not.<br /><br />MAN-MADE DOCTRINE (MMD)<br />GOD'S DOCTRINE (GD)<br /><br />1. MMD: Mary is the mediator between mankind and Jesus; therefore the path to the Father is through Mary, then through Jesus.<br /><br />GD: 1 Timothy 2:5 For their is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.<br /><br />2. MMD: The gift of salvation comes through Mary. She is the gate to heaven.<br /><br />GD: John 10:7 So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.<br />John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.<br /><br />Jesus is the gateway to heaven and the only way.<br /><br />3. MMD: Mary hears prayers and grants many things that God refuses.<br /><br />GD: Exodus 34:14---for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God---<br /><br />The Scriptures never instruct anyone to pray to Mary or through Mary.<br /><br />Prayer is an act of worship. To pray to any other god or person other than God is sinful and that includes the Virgin Mary.<br /><br />4. MMD: The teaching that states that the Virgin Mary is the divine Mother.<br /><br />GD: Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--- all things have been created through Him and for Him.<br /><br />Jesus was the creator of all things. The Virgin Mary was a created being. Mary is not divine. Mary is not God.<br /><br />5. MMD: The Lord in heaven is submissive to Mary.<br /><br />GD: And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.<br /><br />The Lord in heaven is submissive to no man nor the Virgin Mary.<br /><br />6. MMD: Mary was sinless.<br /><br />GD: Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.<br />John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.<br /><br />The Virgin Mary was not sinless.<br /><br />7. MMD: Devotion to Mary is a means to salvation. A man is not a true Christian without devotion to Mary.<br /><br />GD: Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect,He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,<br /><br />Jesus is the means to salvation, not Mary.<br /><br />NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES ABOUT MARY: Luke 1:27,28,42. Matthew 1:16-20. Matthew 2:11. Matthew 13:55. Matthew 27:56,61. Mark 6:3. Luke 1:34, 38, 41,46, 56. Luke 2:5, 16, 19, 34,. John 16:25. Acts 1:14.<br /><br />There are not any New Testament Scriptures to support the man-made denominational doctrines about the Virgin Mary.<br /><br />THE TRUTH ABOUT THE VIRGIN MARY IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE ALONE!<br /><br />Man-made doctrines about the Virgin Mary are found in catechisms, creed books, and other writing that are not inspired by God.<br /><br />You are invited to follow my blog. http://steve-finnell.blogspot.com Steve Finnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12863026367048527526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-78585772014902897942014-09-25T18:38:06.257-05:002014-09-25T18:38:06.257-05:00For the sake of accuracy: Nowhere in its report do...For the sake of accuracy: Nowhere in its report does the Consistory of Gothenburg quote or refer to Pastor Fogelqvist as making any statement whatsoever as to the efficacy of Sacraments administered by women.<br />The Consistory bases its judgement on the following:<br />1. Pastor Fogelqvist has supposedly presented the rejection of women's ordination as a condition for salvation. The Consistory's report quotes Pastor Fogelqvist as repeatedly clarifying that this is not his postion. This clarification, however, has not influenced the Consistory's conclusion.<br />2. Pastor Fogelqvist has exposed the teaching of a Bible text in a sermon rather than privately.<br />3. Pastor Fogelqvist has expressed the view that a "hierarchy of norms" exists so that Holy Scripture and the Lutheran Confession possess a higher degree of authority than the ordinances of the Church of Sweden. The Consistory rejects this notion!<br />4. Pastor Fogelqvist presented the sermon in question a few months before a parish realignment would place two ordained women in the congregation he was serving.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11921246275185939140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-35876744047544188842014-09-24T11:45:49.479-05:002014-09-24T11:45:49.479-05:00So in other words, at least one of those who have ...So in other words, at least one of those who have made severe judgements about Pastor Fogelqvist - and done so anonymously - has indeed done so without any knowledge whatsoever as to what Pastor Fogelqvist actually said.<br /><br />This could lead one to ponder which is more shameful: the lying, the cowardice, or the desire to appear more educated than one obviously is by spouting theological terms as to the meaning of which one is clearly ignorant.<br /><br />Of course such ponderings would be pointless.<br /><br />What the point is, is: shame!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11921246275185939140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-41016695943762698652014-09-24T11:25:41.696-05:002014-09-24T11:25:41.696-05:00Yes, what Pastor Fogelqvist is reported to have sa...Yes, what Pastor Fogelqvist is reported to have said above, in the previous comment, is neither Donatism nor sacerdotalism, but plain ordinary historic "mere Christianity."William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-23244226173594259572014-09-24T11:19:14.297-05:002014-09-24T11:19:14.297-05:00From the above article...
"Mr. Fogelqvist ar...From the above article...<br /><br />"Mr. Fogelqvist argued that it was an ontological impossibility for women to be priests. Those who relied upon the efficacy of the sacraments offered by women priests were endangering their souls, he said, because those sacraments were void ab initio."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-4330027206257153232014-09-24T10:51:34.019-05:002014-09-24T10:51:34.019-05:00Would any of those who have commented on Pastor F...Would any of those who have commented on Pastor Fogelqvist's sermon, referred to it as "theological nonsense" and "heretical statements", or pondered whether it is for donatism or for sacerdotialism he should be defrocked, have any knowledge whatsoever of what he actually said?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11921246275185939140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-31793868183878040632014-09-23T18:10:24.978-05:002014-09-23T18:10:24.978-05:00"I don't think those words mean what you ..."I don't think those words mean what you seem to think they mean"<br />Exactly. The priest was spouting theological nonsense. He should've been removed if he refused to withdraw his heretical statements. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-33775480403286249772014-09-23T09:33:30.504-05:002014-09-23T09:33:30.504-05:00"Donatism ... and ... sacerdotalism."
I..."Donatism ... and ... sacerdotalism."<br /><br />I don't think those words mean what you seem to think they mean.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-34451264904364364232014-09-22T19:51:01.053-05:002014-09-22T19:51:01.053-05:007:47 AM Anonymous: Perhaps the meaning here is tha...7:47 AM Anonymous: <i>Perhaps the meaning here is that Mr. Fogelqvist's remarks were correct in substance but not appropriate in timing or place.</i> <br /><br />Huh? Speaking something that is correct in [doctrinal] substance is "not appropriate in timing or place" in a sermon?!?Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-88820170416433968642014-09-22T18:21:11.085-05:002014-09-22T18:21:11.085-05:00and for good measure, sacerdotalism.and for good measure, sacerdotalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-23229345925600556592014-09-22T18:18:42.533-05:002014-09-22T18:18:42.533-05:00The priest knows the policies of the CofS. No big...The priest knows the policies of the CofS. No big surprise what has happened to him.<br />What he should be charged with is the lie of Donatism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-35588797441939340962014-09-22T11:38:50.765-05:002014-09-22T11:38:50.765-05:00At least the Church of Sweden has its priorities, ...At least the Church of Sweden has its priorities, even if its beliefs are unclear:<br /> <br /><br />"In June 2011, in contrast to this case, the Church of Sweden decided not to defrock Ulla<br />Karlsson, a female pastor who had published a column in the Church of Sweden newspaper during Lent. The column directly attacked basic Christian doctrine, declaring, inter alia,<br /><br /> <br />'There is no fallen creation and therefore the whole doctrine of the atonement is irrational! Throw out all the talk about sin, guilt, shame, blood, slaughtered lambs and other horrors! It has no place in modern times, among enlightened people!'<br /><br /><br />The Consistory placed this pastor on probation, but did not find her to have committed aserious 'breach of ordination vows” or to be “in conflict with the Church of Sweden’s<br />faith, confession and doctrine'."<br /><br /><br />William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-56146848754063914902014-09-22T09:31:39.049-05:002014-09-22T09:31:39.049-05:00The Church of Sweden is apostate and has been for ...The Church of Sweden is apostate and has been for quite a while. They cannot stand the Truth, and will not tolerate anyone who insists upon it.<br /><br />Fr. D+<br />Anglican PriestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-67898809541506320262014-09-22T09:02:32.509-05:002014-09-22T09:02:32.509-05:00From Merrriam Webster::
INTEMPERATE:
1.given to ...From Merrriam Webster:: <br />INTEMPERATE:<br />1.given to or characterized by excessive or immoderate indulgence in alcoholic beverages.<br />2.immoderate in indulgence of appetite or passion.<br />3.not temperate; unrestrained; unbridled.<br />4.extreme in temperature, as climate.<br /><br />I don't believe #1 is the issue, nor is #2 or #4. I assume the good Father was intemperate by being unrestrained and unbridled (at least until being defrocked) in his speech. <br /><br />Political/social correctness is causing the church to be intolerant of Truth. Sad.<br /><br />As I recently heard somewhere, pastors/priests are not in the pulpit to teach something new. They are there to deliver the same old Good News. So as Anon. said, "Mr. Fogelqvist's remarks were correct in substance but not appropriate in timing or place." Janis Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947508427040251166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-92040046321549796052014-09-22T07:47:25.542-05:002014-09-22T07:47:25.542-05:00Intemperate does not mean wrong. Perhaps the meani...Intemperate does not mean wrong. Perhaps the meaning here is that Mr. Fogelqvist's remarks were correct in substance but not appropriate in timing or place. I do not know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-11603678012565790382014-09-22T07:14:31.095-05:002014-09-22T07:14:31.095-05:00From the linked article: "Mr. Fogelqvist argu...From the linked article: <i>"Mr. Fogelqvist argued that it was an ontological impossibility for women to be priests. Those who relied upon the efficacy of the sacraments offered by women priests were endangering their souls, he said, because those sacraments were void ab initio."</i><br /><br />Intemperate?!?<br /><br />Similar comments have been made on other Lutheran blogs that commmunion officiated by pastrixes is no different than a communion scene in a movie played with actors and actresses, or than a pretend communion by children playing.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com