tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post2027117817933594828..comments2024-03-29T09:20:16.581-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: A Good Try But...Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-15482363066864033172011-10-12T19:16:12.323-05:002011-10-12T19:16:12.323-05:00The children's sermon is but a bone thrown to ...The children's sermon is but a bone thrown to the parents of little children. If pastors really want to include children in worship, let them start practicing paedocommunion.joel in gahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004657844162781647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89609384702035936922011-10-07T22:12:25.794-05:002011-10-07T22:12:25.794-05:00Thank you for saying this because this needs to be...Thank you for saying this because this needs to be said. You are absolutely correct: Childrens' Sermons make the faulty assumption that young Christians are incapable of learning the Christian faith through the Divine Liturgy. To make an analogy, it is like trying to teach someone a foreign language but only using a vocabulary of 100 words when every day language consists of 10,000 words and more.<br /><br />The addition of the children's sermon (or as it was called in my church the "children's message" which was a huge misnomer; why is it just for them?) was probably done because parents have largely abnegated their responsibilities to teach the faith at home where they could use such "special" language as what you observe at Sunday Children's Sermons.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-42357728956662365102011-10-07T20:11:45.269-05:002011-10-07T20:11:45.269-05:00It is interesting to me that we assume the Word of...It is interesting to me that we assume the Word of God needs to be translated for the children. I have been a Christian Educator in the church most of my life of 73 years. It seems to me that if the Word is God (John 1:1), then we need to allow it to impinge upon the hearts and minds of our children as well as ourselves. I have made it a practice to read the text from the Bible to children, particularly when it was difficult to explain. Then let the children tell you what they heard and understood. I have been amazed at their understanding. One of my pet peeves is “dumbing down” the Bible stories “so the children can understand.”<br /><br />If the children need to be “conditioned”, then perhaps parental help before and after the service would be advisable. I tell my grand-daughters to circle words or phrases, they have questions about in the bulletin. (The text is printed out in our bulletins.) They could also jot down any thoughts or questions and the family could talk about them later. <br /><br />We spent the past summer teaching children about the liturgy and helping them learn to sing it. There is so much to do in the Lutheran Service if the children are cued to it! I have had children say “Is it over already?” Little children can do three things: “Sing, Pray, and Listen.” Just help them know which one to do at the appropriate time.<br /><br />I have written and presented children’s sermons, but I don’t advocate them anymore. As Pastor Peters has suggested, setting apart one group from the congregation sends a message that they are “special” or “not Special.”<br /><br />Elsa QuanbeckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-77348485675025749542011-10-07T13:31:29.844-05:002011-10-07T13:31:29.844-05:00The confessions explicitly say the purpose of cere...The confessions explicitly say the purpose of ceremonies is to teach. Jesus taught, he told his disciples to teach. This is bedrock. To elevate ceremonies beyond a teaching purpose promotes mysticism. The word is God speaking, but its effective because it teaches about what God did and is doing, not because the word has a magical effect, like some incantation.boaznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89799050155375147092011-10-07T09:05:11.466-05:002011-10-07T09:05:11.466-05:00The kids sermon was introduced in the
LCMS by Dire...The kids sermon was introduced in the<br />LCMS by Directors of Christian<br />Education. Supposedly they were<br />trained to do this in the Concordia<br />colleges they attended. It was a way<br />to give them visibility to the parish<br />on Sunday morning.<br /><br />Soon parishes without a DCE began<br />having kids sermons and pastors or<br />laity delivered them. Kids sermons<br />are feeble attempts to entertain<br />the adults while the kids' minds<br />wander.<br /><br />I was in a parish with a female DCE<br />who gave kids sermons and one family left because they said women<br />cannot give sermons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-36199705453144089552011-10-07T07:44:06.397-05:002011-10-07T07:44:06.397-05:00Two things:
1. I don't worry about my little...Two things:<br /><br />1. I don't worry about my little Catechism review where I ask a question and the cognregation reads the respond (followed by memory work and explanation to the kids) breaking up the flow of the service -- if we can stop the service so we can pause and worship how much we give in the offering, we can pause to discuss the Catechism.<br /><br />2. Don't you realize that my children's sermons really are *for* the Social Security gals, and the parents, and the single college kids who I didn't get to take through the Catechism?<br /><br />That being said - If I were at a place that didn't have them, I wouldn't be in a rush to introduce them.Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-91376865801859439002011-10-07T07:01:20.634-05:002011-10-07T07:01:20.634-05:00If I thought my children were tuned in adequately ...If I thought my children were tuned in adequately for the sermon I would be in agreement, as I agree the liturgy itself is the best catechesis. I think, though, if there's a chance they don't understand the scriptures and sermon at the same level as the adults, it might be worthwhile to do a children's sermon on the grounds that they are in need of explication/application of God's word as well as the adults. Some writers suggest that pastors should make sure to include in their sermon something (an illustration which includes a child, for example) geared toward the younger parishioners to help engage them and so that all parts of the service are for everyone. I think this suggestion has merit. My children always remember when the pastor has related a story about his childhood to illustrate a point.Lauranoreply@blogger.com