tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post2120118055868090250..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: We should not be surprised. . . Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-71118407518148897602019-11-17T00:22:51.258-06:002019-11-17T00:22:51.258-06:00Politics aside, the only thing that matters is the...Politics aside, the only thing that matters is the "way" us <br />sinners have access to God. It is the same "way" we will have <br />access to an eternal life of bliss in His presence and in the <br />presence of loving fellow believers versus having an eternal <br />life of fire, poison ivy, and darkness in the presence of <br />fellow bullies, predators, and scorners. Jesus said He is the <br />"way" to the former place while unbelief in Him is the "way" to the <br />latter place. In fact, He said none "cometh to the Father but by Me." <br />Both of these are "Lutheran" doctrines and are supported in <br />many other scripture passages. Luther realized the Catholic <br />church was teaching other "ways," such as paying indulgences to <br />the church not to mention paying even more money to the church <br />to make a "way" for someone else, namely in Purgatory, which is <br />another "way" the Catholics believe can be used to get access <br />to God--or at least heaven. <br /><br />So Jesus is "the way." That means praying to Mary is no <br />legitimate "way." Purgatory is no legitimate "way." Praying <br />some prayer over and over again is no legitimate "way." Going <br />to mass is no legitimate "way." Touching or seeing "holy" water <br />or any other molecular matter is no legitmiate "way." Being <br />"holy" or even Christlike is no legitimate "way." Helping the <br />poor is no legitimate way. Praying to some supposed saint is no <br />legitimate "way." Becoming "sainted" is no legitimate "way." Following some order or receiving forgiveness by or from a self-appointed sinless pontiff or a confessional priest is no legitimate "way," especially since the bible says over and over again that there is no sinless human being, never, no "way." Not even the pope.<br /><br />So my question is this: If we say we are a (Catholic) Christian and yet TRUST in any of the above "ways" to get access to God, are we really a Christian? After all, a Christian is someone who trusts in <br />Jesus as the only "way." Therefore if we trust in any of the <br />above "ways," how many of them can we trust in to get access to <br />God and still make it to heaven?--or get our prayers heard? In <br />other words, will a 90% Christian get God's favor? How about a <br />70% Christian? How about a 51% Christian? <br /><br />Please someone tell me. (Please use bible passages.)<br />Anti Anti Lutherannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-63560261502872986212019-11-15T07:31:52.985-06:002019-11-15T07:31:52.985-06:00It is your vitriol, Daniel, that reveals your real...It is your vitriol, Daniel, that reveals your real intent on this blog. Your intent is not simply to learn more about Lutheranism. But rather you have continued to attack, mock, and ridicule Martin Luther and Lutheran doctrine, in addition to those who subscribe to the Book of Concord of 1580. You continue to reject anything that contradicts your papist views. 2 John 1:10 applies to you.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-32588780020651181212019-11-14T14:29:16.984-06:002019-11-14T14:29:16.984-06:00Richard,
Same crap spewed in a different manner b...Richard,<br /><br />Same crap spewed in a different manner but it is the same crap more or less. You miss the point of course but again that is to be expected from someone who is arrogant. I can't say anymore on this topic. Your vitriol speaks for itself.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-77144286575643192422019-11-14T14:07:12.715-06:002019-11-14T14:07:12.715-06:00I refer to a church body or person who claims to b...I refer to a church body or person who claims to be Lutheran but publicly holds and practices only a <i>quatenus</i> subscription to the Book of Concord of 1580 as a <i>Lufauxran</i>, because that church body or person is not really <a href="http://www.bookofconcord.org/whatisalutheran.php" rel="nofollow">Lutheran</a>.<br /><br />I refer to Romanists as <i>papists</i> because that is the accurate description used repeatedly [<i>Papisten</i>] in the Book of Concord of 1580 and in writings by Martin Luther.<br /><br />For almost forty years the Demonicrat Party platform and its members have given their demonic support at the federal and state level for murder-by-abortion, hull-crushing depths of moral perversions, and treachery against the United States. <i>Demonicrat</i> is a name they deservedly and for a long time have brought on themselves.<br /><br />These terms have specific meanings and are valid descriptions.<br /><br />OTOH, Daniel, your <i>ad hominem</i> attacks appear to contain only whatever you reach around to your backside, grab, and hurl.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-19566192594920031232019-11-14T13:09:56.035-06:002019-11-14T13:09:56.035-06:00Oh MR. Strickert,
Spare me. I stumbled on this b...Oh MR. Strickert,<br /><br />Spare me. I stumbled on this blog and was impressed, not by you, but by the good Pastor for his wit and wisdom. As I have said in the past, there is MUCH that he writes that I agree with as is evident in this particular post where I said, "Spot on Pastor." And if he mentions Catholicism it is never with the vitriol that comes from you and or MR. D+. Cliff, gotta hand it to him IS charitable. Mr. D+ goes on a tirade about brainwashed Catholics(Christian Charity?)and the like to which I responded in kind. As for you, there is little evidence that you exercise anything remotely charitable. From what I have seen of your posts, you have called Lutherans who don't share your view, Lufauxeran, me a papist, and others views who don't quite square with yours either demonic (Demonicrats ring a bell?) or some other such insult which again, lacks Christian Charity. So I see that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle Black.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-25450116546072146902019-11-14T11:59:58.737-06:002019-11-14T11:59:58.737-06:00Hmmmm. On a Lutheran blog, a papist complains abo...Hmmmm. On a Lutheran blog, a papist complains about "Christian Love," then calls Martin Luther a "psychopath," and claims Cliff and I remind him of Herod and Pilate, based on my previously noting, "It also seems that Cliff objects to your attacks."<br /><br />And, starting on this blog's third post, Daniel, your <i>ad hominem</i> attacks were first aimed at Fr. D+ ("is that your grade as a pastor or is there some false modesty going on?") and continued with an attack on David Gray ("You’re not catholic or Catholic. You’re protestant.") and then on Cliff. I was your next target when I posted some of your hate-quotes against Luther or Lutherans.<br /><br />I suggest you consider the October 8, 2019, Pastoral Meanderings blog, "<a href="http://pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com/2019/10/some-pause.html" rel="nofollow">Some pause. . .</a>."Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-59419132025834009332019-11-14T10:47:46.086-06:002019-11-14T10:47:46.086-06:00I am also amused that you Mr. Strickert and Cliff ...I am also amused that you Mr. Strickert and Cliff the cumbaya type are now teaming up. Kind of reminds me of Herod and Pilate, just sayin...Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-12446201398656150742019-11-14T10:29:10.162-06:002019-11-14T10:29:10.162-06:00LOL Mr. Strickert,
First of all, where is the Chr...LOL Mr. Strickert,<br /><br />First of all, where is the Christian Love in that statement? Proves to me that Luther was a crazed psychopath and as your hero, you the apple that didn't fall far from the tree. LOL.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-31866766179023500562019-11-13T21:26:39.996-06:002019-11-13T21:26:39.996-06:00For hardcore papists like you, Daniel G. or whatev...For hardcore papists like you, Daniel G. or whatever your real name is, I leave you with these <a href="https://ergofabulous.org/luther/" rel="nofollow">words from Martin Luther</a>.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-23759957337923683192019-11-13T20:53:56.532-06:002019-11-13T20:53:56.532-06:00Oh Cliff......Oh Cliff......Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-82824494825547218712019-11-13T19:54:35.227-06:002019-11-13T19:54:35.227-06:00Carl:
Daniel should read today's comments fro...Carl:<br /><br />Daniel should read today's comments from Church Militant as even his own faithful Catholics are calling pope Francis the anti-Christ. Ironic isn't it how little Catholics understand theology?Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09123354699039451021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7771071999368256862019-11-13T19:15:43.716-06:002019-11-13T19:15:43.716-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-33430379002291344502019-11-13T19:12:36.128-06:002019-11-13T19:12:36.128-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-86998201451963821642019-11-13T16:51:30.739-06:002019-11-13T16:51:30.739-06:00Mr. Vehse aka Mr. Strickert,
I find your last pa...Mr. Vehse aka Mr. Strickert, <br /><br />I find your last paragraph particularly amusing in light of all if your vapid anti-Catholicism posts on this site in addition to your swipes at lutheran schism boxes outside the LCMS and your particular offshoot.<br /><br />Oh and about Antichrist you prove that your knowledge of him dismal. Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-25685065537016352492019-11-13T15:53:03.196-06:002019-11-13T15:53:03.196-06:00Daniel G., to you, hate seems to be what Luther or...Daniel G., to you, hate seems to be what Luther or Lutherans say, and not what you or Romanists say, like:<br /><br /><i>"Luther set himself as the arch expositor of the scriptures with his novel doctrines"<br />"Luther in is crazed zeal also attacked all things Catholic such as the ministeria priesthood, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, etc." <br />"You’re not catholic or Catholic. You’re protestant."<br />"... even though the Lutheran faith is incomplete."<br />"... yet we have the True Faith and, well, you don’t."<br />"What you call hate is none other than zeal for the Truth." <br />"I know a lot of Lutherans who do hate what they don't understand."</i>" <br /><br />Of course, your delusional definition of hate is rejected by this Lutheran. It also seems that Cliff objects to your attacks. As a papist, you're pretty much stuck with standing by your pope, or as Lutherans refer to him, the Antichrist.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-65699842509540801612019-11-13T11:30:01.768-06:002019-11-13T11:30:01.768-06:00Dear Cliff,
We live in the age of church of nice ...Dear Cliff,<br /><br />We live in the age of church of nice and compromise. What you call hate is none other than zeal for the Truth. While all around us people are questioning the basic tenets of Christianity there has to be something to counteract the falsehoods set forth by those who claim to know better than that which Christ founded teaches and which is the Church that I belong to. The Church is One, Holy, and Apostolic and Catholic, with a capital C. It is there that the fullness of the faith is found and it is the Mass of Ages, the so-called Tridentine that embodies that faith. Lex credenda, lex orandi or something like that. <br /><br />I speak the truth and I am sorry if your feelings are hurt but that can't stop me or others like me for telling it like it is. I responded to Mr. D+'s inflammatory statement that Catholics are brainwashed and so forth. If that is nice then I'm not sure you know the difference btw nice and naughty. I had to respond to his ridiculous statement just like I must respond to yours. I don't hate but I know a lot of Lutherans who do hate what they don't understand. Anyway that's my two cents.<br /><br />God bless!!!!!Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-9289190090324765822019-11-13T11:03:10.988-06:002019-11-13T11:03:10.988-06:00Daniel G.
I am not sure what happened to your re...Daniel G. <br /><br />I am not sure what happened to your reasoning but something nasty has happened to you as you at first appeared to be a well balanced individual? You have turned into a typical nasty "trad" who "............................. you know I wanted to say some secular comments about you but Pr. Peters said we should be nice in our comments.<br /><br />I once considered you a friend but unfortunately that has to end and so should our dialogue. You're comments bring out the worst in people and that is not good. The fruits of TLM group is hatred, and to prove my point check Crisis Magazines comment section yesterday as even your people are seeing the true fruits of this radical group.<br /><br />So God Bless and enlighten you that you may have peace! Goodbye.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09123354699039451021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-75591176680479800862019-11-12T20:47:32.705-06:002019-11-12T20:47:32.705-06:00Cliff,
As always you hit the nail on the head. T...Cliff,<br /><br />As always you hit the nail on the head. The Latin Mass is the Mass par excellence because it embodies fullness of the Catholic Faith unlike the Novus Ordo,, while valid, pales in comparison. I liken traditional Catholics to you LCMS and Wisconsin Synodials who are steadfast and uncompromising in their faith even though the Lutheran faith is incomplete. We are like you LCMS and Wisconsonians in their rigidity to their Smallcald Articles, Book of Concord, Large and Small Catechisms yet we have the True Faith and, well, you don’t. We are like you LCMS and Wisconsonians who balk at open Communion with those who do not hold what we believe and yet, you don’t have true Communion like the Catholic Church because your Eucharistic Theology is deficient, erroneous and unbiblical. Cliff, we Traditional Catholics may be a minority in the big Church but we will be what saves the Church from the likes of people who are striving to make it mainstream protestant. Like Benedict XVI said, it will be a small Church but a stronger and more fervent Church.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-58861048510813917292019-11-12T20:33:49.755-06:002019-11-12T20:33:49.755-06:00I think our friend Daniel G. has been attending to...I think our friend Daniel G. has been attending too many Latin Masses, and if anybody follows their blogs and U tube videos would soon know what I mean. They claim that TLM mass is authentic Catholicism and that Vatican II high jacked their church. They spew venom against Protestants and even beloved pope John Paul II. <br /><br />They have a strong voice and carry a lot of influence. I won't name any blogs or individuals as I am sure the astute observer knows all about them. <br /><br />So far too date I have seen only legalism and law in their message. Needless to say TLM group does not impress me.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09123354699039451021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89900118723794626712019-11-12T20:20:09.479-06:002019-11-12T20:20:09.479-06:00Anonymous writes:
I'm sure you're familia...Anonymous writes:<br /><br />I'm sure you're familiar with Ann Barnhardt and Father James Martin. They both present themselves as devoted Roman Catholics, and as such subscribe to the Bible, the Roman Catholic catechism, and the writings of the Church Fathers. Yet, their theological viewpoints are much farther apart than, say our host Pastor Peters and Joel Osteen. <br /><br />In light of the diametrically opposed positions of Ann and Father Martin on many issues, would you say that one of these Roman Catholics would fall under your category of "unqualified so-called teachers who set themselves up as the final arbiters of what the scriptures mean". <br /><br />The theology of Ann and Father Martin are logically contradictory, in other words, they both can't be right. How do you square the existence of logically contradictory theologies within the Roman Catholic Church? (Hint: you probably want to include in your response the phrase "private interpretation of scripture")<br /><br />Interesting you mention Father Martin and Ann Barnhardt. Yes they are diametrically opposed but Ann unlike Father Martin is a faithful Catholic while Fr. Martin is not. He, like Luther, wants to change the Church. He is much like the ECLA who claims be Lutheran but isn't really. Maybe in name only but in practice no. So I'm not sure of your point if there is a point you are making.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-769942002066531812019-11-12T19:47:43.499-06:002019-11-12T19:47:43.499-06:00Daniel,
You need to read more and write less.Daniel,<br /><br />You need to read more and write less.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-30187531892971994752019-11-12T19:33:17.972-06:002019-11-12T19:33:17.972-06:00Hello Daniel G
You wrote:
"let's hope...Hello Daniel G<br /><br /> You wrote: <br /><br />"let's hope that they don't fall under unqualified so-called "teachers and pastors" who set themselves up as the final arbiters of what the scriptures mean and then pass on those errors to their "bible students." So much for private interpretation or the perspicuity of scripture."<br /><br /> I'm sure you're familiar with Ann Barnhardt and Father James Martin. They both present themselves as devoted Roman Catholics, and as such subscribe to the Bible, the Roman Catholic catechism, and the writings of the Church Fathers. Yet, their theological viewpoints are much farther apart than, say our host Pastor Peters and Joel Osteen. <br /><br /> In light of the diametrically opposed positions of Ann and Father Martin on many issues, would you say that one of these Roman Catholics would fall under your category of "unqualified so-called teachers who set themselves up as the final arbiters of what the scriptures mean". <br /><br /> The theology of Ann and Father Martin are logically contradictory, in other words, they both can't be right. How do you square the existence of logically contradictory theologies within the Roman Catholic Church? (Hint: you probably want to include in your response the phrase "private interpretation of scripture")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-59170954669377830322019-11-12T19:31:30.971-06:002019-11-12T19:31:30.971-06:00You’re not catholic or Catholic. You’re protestant...You’re not catholic or Catholic. You’re protestant.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-27617009561909524192019-11-12T18:15:44.951-06:002019-11-12T18:15:44.951-06:00Daniel,
Why do you choose to do what you are doin...Daniel,<br /><br />Why do you choose to do what you are doing?<br /><br />You are doing Rome no credit, nor yourself.<br /><br />This is a Lutheran blog. We know you are Roman Catholic. We know you disagree about many things. This repeating of relatively infantile debating points does not honor God.<br /><br />And I'd rather be catholic than Catholic, thanks.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-75266976164845168102019-11-12T17:45:52.029-06:002019-11-12T17:45:52.029-06:00Anonymous said:
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"...Anonymous said:<br /><br />Anonymous Anonymous said...<br />"don't fall into so-called "private interpretation" as Luther had" -that is a pure myth! Have you not read Luther? or just picked up a talking point you heard someone say? Just as the other myth that blames Luther for all the other denominations. How is he to blame? Luther is excommunicated for not holding to teachings that are not based in Scripture and also which no Early Church Father held. He is kicked out. Factually, Luther rejected the Reformed and offered them no aid as they departed from catholicity.<br /><br />You prove my point. Luther set himself as the arch expositor of the scriptures with his novel doctrines of faith alone and scripture alone. He thus set the stage for others to set themselves up as the sole expositors of scripture such as Zwingli and Calvin who SURPRISE did not agree with his, ahem, "correct" intepretations of scripture. Luther in is crazed zeal also attacked all things Catholic such as the ministeria priesthood, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, etc. So, in effect, Luther ceased to be Catholic. <br /><br />LOLOLOLDaniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.com