tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post212682401511631957..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Nobody's fault. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-49559047941277625232017-08-22T10:50:51.699-05:002017-08-22T10:50:51.699-05:00"maintaining a confessional witness even with..."maintaining a confessional witness even within the rites of LW."<br /><br />Does this not mean that those who claim you cannot maintain a confessional witness EXCEPT with the rites directly in line with the Lutheran Hymnal are here being challenged? I took it to mean that the hymnals ARE orthodox and those who claiming the opposite are wrong.<br /><br />I do not sense that Pr Peters was saying anything more or less than he, too, was once on the bandwagon for change for the sake of change - the movement that produced a new hymnal supposedly for all Lutherans (LBW) but his youthful desire for such has been replaced by a more mature desire to see a common hymnal come only when a common faith is fully agreed upon.<br /><br />Cut and paste is a broad term. Some cut and paste is okay. Some is not. It all depends upon from what you cut and how you paste it all together. BTW the Confessions insist that while uniformity cannot be demanded, it is nevertheless a good thing to be sought after. At the time of the Confessions, individual congregations did not do their own thing but under each jurisdiction they all shared a common liturgy. This is how we have seen the history of the church orders of the 16th century.<br /><br />BTW who said anything about Kramer Chapel? Gotta grudge there???<br /><br />"The diversity of worship styles is motivated by a widespread distaste for the musical liturgical settings of TLH, LW, and LSB, not some widespread abandonment of Lutheranism."<br /><br />Really? It is only about music? What you do is itself a confession. In other posts pr Peters has shown that Lutheranism can be identified on Sunday morning by a liturgical shape or face (as Pr peters put it). There is no Lutheranism in theory that does not have a practice to go with it. I am a vegan in theory but I eat steak. What? What do you mean here?Lutheran Lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-63145023620473263772017-08-22T10:24:56.356-05:002017-08-22T10:24:56.356-05:00"Even if our own denomination will not surviv..."Even if our own denomination will not survive, the Church of Christ will continue and will flourish where the Word is proclaimed faithfully, where the Sacraments administered with equal faithfulness, and where the confession is maintained faithfully in preaching to the Church and in witness before the world."<br /><br />I'm puzzled by this article, which is not only all over the map but sweepingly vague in specifics, while throwing around a lot of foreboding verbiage like apostasy, heresy, the demise of the LCMS, and "maintaining a confessional witness even within the rites of LW." Pray tell, what is unconfessional about LW? The confession and absolution? The Kyrie, Creed, Sermon, Lord's Prayer, Agnus Dei, Distribution, and Benediction? Are we complaining about the musical settings of Bunjes and Hillert? That LW is a gateway drug to Hillsong? OK, just kidding on that last one.<br /><br />Lutheran worship is proclaiming the Gospel in Word and Sacraments. Period. This is what is meant by being determined to be Lutheran on Sunday morning. The charge that LCMS congregations who cut and paste their own services together are somehow youthful apostates and less than Lutheran (true Lutheran worship being defined by Kramer Chapel, by the way) betrays a legalism that is itself less than Lutheran. Do we imagine cut and paste or contemporary worship excise confession, the sermon, or the sacrament? The diversity of worship styles is motivated by a widespread distaste for the musical liturgical settings of TLH, LW, and LSB, not some widespread abandonment of Lutheranism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-60420253459323551222017-08-22T08:43:01.412-05:002017-08-22T08:43:01.412-05:00It is always good to outgrow our youth!. The sayi...It is always good to outgrow our youth!. The saying, "Youth always rebels". Is true. We may not show our rebellion in obvious ways, but we all do; it's part of our sinful nature. Thankfully, youth succumbs to adulthood and even old age, at least one day at a time if there is not epiphany of tradition. '<br /><br />I am also thankful I "grew up.' It is a good thing to tolerate young thoughts (without allowing heresy and apostasy), and work to mature them. Would that many adults and congregations, and synods who are long overdue would do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com