tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post3569320820177341757..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Why are we smart people so stupid sometimes...Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-53482245419068876772011-12-07T23:55:05.042-06:002011-12-07T23:55:05.042-06:00I want to share free business information online. ...I want to share free business information online. Please do tell me some online platforms for me where I can share the free business information to increase my business worldwide.Originals Casual Wear us profilehttp://www.masterseek.com/Originals-Casual-Wear-Inc/company-6060026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-61705892931322990092011-12-05T22:35:40.605-06:002011-12-05T22:35:40.605-06:00Maybe I will wear this to the contemporary service...Maybe I will wear this to the contemporary service:<br /><br />http://worldvieweverlasting.spreadshirt.com/the-original-grandpa-s-church-A6258912/customize/color/1<br /><br />~Cafeteria LutheranAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-26706097115006818512011-12-05T16:29:16.232-06:002011-12-05T16:29:16.232-06:00To the "Anonymous" rhetorical questioner...To the "Anonymous" rhetorical questioner - Why do some pastors brag about their honorific degree titles?<br /><br />To the "Anonymous" Cafeteria Lutheran - If you can, skip the methobaptiscostal service and go to the liturgical service at your Lutheran church, even if it's at 6AM Sunday morning. (Here's a <a href="http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iAjE5PO8wvw/Tt1Drt1GvtI/AAAAAAAAAR0/WfWkDE51Wu0/s494/NoMBC.jpg" rel="nofollow">button design</a> you can adjust to size, print, and wear on your lapel.) <br /><br />Stay clear of the Eastern Unorthodox Church. It would be a <i>frying pan/fire</i> decision to swim the Bosporus.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-74444407380962446352011-12-05T13:26:02.961-06:002011-12-05T13:26:02.961-06:00I've been attempting to work on a usable bulle...I've been attempting to work on a usable bulletin in hopes of eliminating the senior pastor's love of the "MC liturgy". Do you have some examples of a well-crafted bulletin? I'd greatly appreciate it. schuldheisz4@hotmail.comPastor Samwise Praetorius (Samuel Schuldheisz)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08050850641141213958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-36624381001192895272011-12-05T11:46:55.995-06:002011-12-05T11:46:55.995-06:003 Anonymouses ago (it's kind of hard to addres...3 Anonymouses ago (it's kind of hard to address people without any monikers at all)...<br /><br />My experience with Holy Communion, coming out of evangelicalism, is just the opposite of what you describe. As an evangelical, we'd do lots of peppy praise songs, but during the Lord's Supper we'd sit there all sullen and gloomy while we thought about our sins and took the crackers and juice. It was a mere ordinance, done in obedience, to remember something kind of sad that happened a long time ago. Joining a confessional Lutheran church was my first exposure to JOYFUL singing during the Supper. Contemplative, yes, but a real sense of receiving a gift-- something that is good news for us. I'm thinking of hymns like "O Lord, We Praise Thee" and "I Come, O Savior, To Thy Table."Kelly Klageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05183748589797441794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-40293340470535625782011-12-04T21:58:32.649-06:002011-12-04T21:58:32.649-06:00Amen, Pastor. And what about pastors who can'...Amen, Pastor. And what about pastors who can't read and add to the liturgy, such as, "We make our beginning in the name of the Father, and of the Son,..." This comes straight out of the Reformed liturgy. Good points you make, to be sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-37030374330855167212011-12-04T21:36:04.278-06:002011-12-04T21:36:04.278-06:00Regarding "directing" the parts of the s...Regarding "directing" the parts of the service: During my vicarage I started off simply motioning people to stand and to sit and trusting people to be able to follow the service from the hymnal and the bulletin. My supervising pastor corrected me, pointing out that there were quite a few people in the congregation -- and most of them sat in the back -- who were legally blind or almost so -- who would feel very embarrassed at not knowing what came next (or what instruction they just missed). Simply announcing the hymn name and number and saying "Please stand" and "You may be seated" was a way to show concern for them and help them in worship. <br /><br />I suppose I should add that I believe when that kind of "directing" is done regularly and consistently, it simply becomes part of the "flow" of the service and is not much of a distraction, if any, to the worshipper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-1548947654454148662011-12-04T20:32:02.180-06:002011-12-04T20:32:02.180-06:00Pastor Peters, you wrote:
"Worship is not ca...Pastor Peters, you wrote:<br /><br />"Worship is not casual. Our encounter with God at the font, table, and pulpit is not a casual moment but the same kind of holy ground experience we read about in Exodus 3:5. We are here because God has bidden us but that does not change the fact that we are standing on holy ground when we stand before Him."<br /><br />I remember experiencing such worship when my previous LCMS congregation used TLH and later, LW. My current LCMS congregation is a member of the Willow Creek Association. During the contemporary worship service, I find myself feeling at odds with the rest of the congregation. <br /><br />I just cannot bring myself to lift my head high and sing the praise band words on the big screen during communion. Since when has communion ever been considered a time of joy at an LCMS Lutheran church? I want to hang my head in shame and sit in a humbled, contemplative state, as I used to do during the traditional service at my previous LCMS congregation, but I feel out of place.<br /><br />When I give a musical offering, I cringe at the people clapping for me afterwards. I want to scream at them and say: "How dare you! I did not play my instrument for your enjoyment. This is not American Idol or America's Got Talent." The last time I remember struggling to worship differently than the rest of the congregation, I was visiting a non-denominational seeker-church.<br /><br />There is a lot of Church Growth garbage at my church that I force myself to ignore. I want nothing to do with the latest all-church study on one of Rick Warren's latest books. I have heard of the term "Cafeteria Catholic". I have become a "Cafeteria Lutheran". My pastor already knows that I disagree with him, but he sees me as an impediment to his business plan, I mean: ministry.<br /><br />As a Cafeteria Lutheran, I will politely and selectively ignore anything resembling the Theology of Glory. It is pretty sad when I find myself looking forward to Issues, Etc. and Pirate Christian Radio than going to my own church to hear a watered-down sermon. If not for confessional Lutheran podcasts, I would have already wandered into an Eastern Orthodox church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-1635425762097438932011-12-04T18:56:08.851-06:002011-12-04T18:56:08.851-06:00Why do some pastors have vanity
license plates on ...Why do some pastors have vanity<br />license plates on their car?<br /><br />Why do some pastors boast about the<br />size of their TV screen?<br /><br />Why do some pastors brag about their academic credentials?<br /><br />Why do some pastors pride themselves on their sermon delivery?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-21528909466872729792011-12-04T17:15:49.579-06:002011-12-04T17:15:49.579-06:00Just from reading your list, I was wondering if yo...Just from reading your list, I was wondering if you were commenting on the Liturgies at my church!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-47369130692084145942011-12-04T15:27:29.200-06:002011-12-04T15:27:29.200-06:00Pastor Peters. On your point of 'dressing our ...Pastor Peters. On your point of 'dressing our best' for church. Some need to be reminded that also means modestly. Not that the guys aren't guilty of this too but a female parishioner doesn't need to be showing half of what God gave her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-82971375455965229272011-12-04T14:17:00.986-06:002011-12-04T14:17:00.986-06:00I agree with almost everything you mentioned.
The...I agree with almost everything you mentioned.<br /><br />The only real disagreement I have is when you said "Why do Pastors have to comment or direct every part of the service? Do we constantly need to hear the page numbers called out? Do we need to have everything introduced (now let us pray the Lord's Prayer... now the choir will sing... now we will take an offering... now receive the benediction, etc.)? Put it in a well crafted bulletin if it is so difficult to keep up with things. Pastor does not mean MC and the liturgy is not your monologue."<br /><br />A "well crafted bulletin" does not need to be 6 pages long (thereby nullifying the order of service printed in the front of the congregational hymnal) ... but if you're using a bulletin and a congregational hymnal, then telling people what's coming next can save in confusion, especially for visitors. <br /><br />It's not that I feel the need to "monologue" ... I'm just doing my best to be a good steward of the time that God has given me, and trying to make sure that everyone is all on the same page... especially since some folks are easily distracted and lose track of what comes next.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-24361782185164121442011-12-04T11:16:46.863-06:002011-12-04T11:16:46.863-06:00I would also add for parishioners to wait until th...I would also add for parishioners to wait until the music stops playing during the last hymn before gathering stuff up and getting coats, etc. on. Let everyone enjoy the final moments of worship before hurrying off to the rest of the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7677233524561568592011-12-04T07:11:49.033-06:002011-12-04T07:11:49.033-06:00Pastor Peters, thank you for holding up a mirror f...Pastor Peters, thank you for holding up a mirror for me to peer into. <br /><br />JeremyJeremy Loeschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08089904111110332096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-15698598286585586352011-12-04T07:06:57.850-06:002011-12-04T07:06:57.850-06:00I composed an Kantor's list of grievances and ...I composed an Kantor's list of grievances and this is almost exactly what I had! I couldnt agree with you more. However, I disagree with leaving during sung parts of the service. It is just as rude and distracting. Especially getting up to leave during the last hymn. Either way, if pastors and parishioners would take these things to heart....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com