tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post3789326063241209210..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: On the Use of Other ElementsPastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-38694243827055683102009-12-29T15:23:22.158-06:002009-12-29T15:23:22.158-06:00Please permit a comment from laity. It seems that ...Please permit a comment from laity. It seems that Pastor Peters is doing what we as Confessional Lutherans consistently attempt to do: follow the Scriptures with attention to detail. We will not understand everything in God's Word but we obey. It would follow that those who vary from what Scripture says want to elevate their own preferences or even convictions above Scripture and are not following Christ's "this do in remembrance of me."Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977465696758179388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-5317236942509202732009-12-29T13:15:25.095-06:002009-12-29T13:15:25.095-06:00I mentioned the "so-called Doctrine of Concom...I mentioned the "so-called Doctrine of Concomitance" not because we have "dogmatized" it but because we confess rightly that if you receive only one element you do not receive part or half of the Sacrament or of Christ. The Lutherans never said that communion under one kind did not distribute the whole of Christ and His blessings -- only that to "dogmatize" reception under one element broke with the Word and intention of Christ.<br /><br />As to leaven or unleaven, I am inclined to prefer unleavened bread but there is a long and distinguished history of using leavened bread (the Eastern Church) that I am hesitant to reject. Either way, leavened or not, bread is bread. Grape juice is not a form of wine and does not fit under the general definition in the way that leavened or leavened bread both do, so they are not quite the same.Pastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-81992366045780046572009-12-29T12:18:09.816-06:002009-12-29T12:18:09.816-06:00Here's wheat bread with low enough gluten so a...Here's wheat bread with low enough gluten so as not to be a problem, according to the magazine Gluten Free Living: http://www.benedictinesisters.org/bread/low_gluten.phpHemmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11371362875734155065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-12281421453504442892009-12-29T10:31:42.833-06:002009-12-29T10:31:42.833-06:00Yeah, I'm with Phil here. If a parishioner is...Yeah, I'm with Phil here. If a parishioner is worried about the alcohol, he or she has the freedom to voluntarily refuse it. We don't justify this with the man-made doctrine of concomitance, though.Dan @ Necessary Roughnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14815354600299927976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-5682916526820006622009-12-29T10:25:11.437-06:002009-12-29T10:25:11.437-06:00You mention that it couldn't have been grape j...You mention that it couldn't have been grape juice because the time of year "was far removed from the time of grace harvest." Yet you allow for leavened bread, even though the Passover and feast of unleavened bread would've certainly prevented any yeast from being present. Why the inconsistency?Dan Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08506346388038444882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-79282455834051748252009-12-29T09:59:08.005-06:002009-12-29T09:59:08.005-06:00"I encourage worshipers to recall that the to..."I encourage worshipers to recall that the total Christ is present in either element, the so-called Doctrine of Concomitance."<br /><br />Whoah! When did Lutherans ever dogmatize the idea of concomitance? And whatever happened to our insistence on communion under both kinds, and that the Roman teaching on concomitance allowed them to pervert Christ's institution of the Supper?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360602965070109675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-54864830471709174812009-12-29T09:57:34.560-06:002009-12-29T09:57:34.560-06:00This issue is not only in ELCA congregations but i...This issue is not only in ELCA congregations but is frequently found in the LCMS.Rev. John Frahmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11937327450254152002noreply@blogger.com