tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post4993726281540880847..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Merry Christmas, from the Pope. . .or notPastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-31784267909424514462015-01-06T01:10:41.247-06:002015-01-06T01:10:41.247-06:00DJ/Gary -
I am not "hooded" by any mean...DJ/Gary -<br /><br />I am not "hooded" by any means, so that one won't work with me.<br /><br />You have taken advantage of the kind nature of Pastor Peters, and accused him before fully investigation your accusation - not unusual with you and your methodology . . .<br /><br />A number of us have in daily prayers. We have asked the Lord to let you prove your new-found "faith" seem as foolish to you as it does the rest of us, and all the sites you blitzkrieg with your non-sensical scat-matter.<br /><br />Our prayers are being answered - you are being ignored and properly ridiculed; your theology is a shambles so you trying to correct anyone has become one of the more hilarious reads online, and your sense of frustration is becoming ever more evident - witness your "claiming" to have contacted the FBI about a death threat!<br /><br />As did the Prodigal, you are quickly approaching the pit of the pigs, and their culinary husks.<br /><br />We prayerfully await you on your journey home.<br /><br />Pastor BaxterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-80022003147456479392015-01-05T19:25:43.341-06:002015-01-05T19:25:43.341-06:00Anonymous: Your death threat has been reported to...Anonymous: Your death threat has been reported to the FBI.<br /><br />Anonymous online comments can be easily traced.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-78336842557170753022015-01-05T11:34:31.644-06:002015-01-05T11:34:31.644-06:00Dear Anonymous:
Hooded bigots are very bold in th...Dear Anonymous:<br /><br />Hooded bigots are very bold in their rhetoric. Take off the hood and reveal your true identity.<br /><br />Name<br />Profession<br />City of Residence<br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10316110067666424732015-01-02T20:06:15.139-06:002015-01-02T20:06:15.139-06:00Gary is a bat crap crazy doctor in California who ...Gary is a bat crap crazy doctor in California who seriously thinks he is making a difference by spamming multiple Lutheran blog sites. <br /><br />He has attempted to contact LCMS leadership, but his letters have been thrown away.<br /><br />He is mentally ill and the authorities in California are currently investigating him and consider revoking his license to practice medicine.<br /><br />Gary, your days are numbered.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-651943730248147392014-12-31T17:29:17.997-06:002014-12-31T17:29:17.997-06:00If it is true that you have asked some of your rea...If it is true that you have asked some of your readers to refrain from using hate speech, I applaud you, Pastor Peters. I say that sincerely.<br /><br />Happy New Year.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-26722466634536442452014-12-31T16:06:50.361-06:002014-12-31T16:06:50.361-06:00There is another bottom line, Gary. You do not kn...There is another bottom line, Gary. You do not know me. Again, you do not know who I contacted to tone down the rhetoric. I would be happy to continue this discussion privately but little light is being generated here -- only heat.<br /><br />Pastor PetersPastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-20753410863053471532014-12-31T10:12:12.121-06:002014-12-31T10:12:12.121-06:00That is the entire point, Pastor Peters: If you c...That is the entire point, Pastor Peters: If you can act (as the moderator) against "those who abuse the forum" you can act as moderator against those who abuse gays and lesbian Americans by their vile hate speech.<br /><br />Bottom line: I don't think you care. Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-46342101766978713802014-12-31T06:35:48.790-06:002014-12-31T06:35:48.790-06:00Gary,
I do NOT moderate the blog comments. I may...Gary,<br /><br />I do NOT moderate the blog comments. I may address people who abuse the forum (which I have done 4-5 times in the same number of years) but I do not edit or remove comments (except a feature which removed commercial advertisements from comments). You are wrong. If I can be held responsible for everything people post, it would mean I am in tacit agreement with those who attack me personally (of which there have been many comments). That is not logical. The comments are unmoderated.<br /><br />That said, you have abused the forum by turning the comments into personal arguments between you and other commenters and that is becoming a problem. Look at the length of this comment thread, how virtually none of these comments has anything to with the blog post, and how no one else is commenting on this post.<br /><br />You are free to hold whatever opinions you have. You may host your own blog and make whatever statements you wish to make. I do not think you advance your cause by hijacking a comment thread on this blog. One of the great dangers of policing thought and comment is that it only pushes the worst of these under the radar. Instead of doing this, address your cause in a thoughtful and polite manner in your own forum. I know that I have never countenanced hate or loathing against anyone, no matter how strongly I have disagreed with them or their values.<br /><br />Pastor PetersPastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-65461656792605686312014-12-30T23:11:47.742-06:002014-12-30T23:11:47.742-06:00Read the entire article, David. No one is excusing...Read the entire article, David. No one is excusing the abuse of children.<br /><br /> The question is related to the use concise terminology so that we all understand the terms we are using. For instance, is a man who sexually abuses young boys and young girls, but has no sexual attraction to either adult males or females a homosexual simply because he has sexually assaulted a male child? Most people would not refer to this person as a homosexual. I would bet that you would.<br /><br />That is why we must be clear with our terminology. <br /><br />You are playing to hysteria instead of looking at the facts. <br /><br />I will be happy to review with you any research that you would like to present from any reputable university or law enforcement organization on this issue.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-46802863891848121062014-12-30T22:48:42.430-06:002014-12-30T22:48:42.430-06:00The kind of games played by the blog you quote fro...The kind of games played by the blog you quote from UC Davis are well demonstrated by this paragraph:<br /><br />"Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation."<br /><br />So according to this blog, which you find authoritative, a man may sexually molest a boy without having a same sex temptation. You may find it comforting to turn off your mind and embrace that sort of hand waving dreck but I'm afraid I don't. <br /><br />If you really truly feel comfortable saying that a man who molests a boy is not engaged in homosexual activity then you are sufficiently debased in your intellect to make this a complete waste of time.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-5304042835655755852014-12-30T22:35:55.017-06:002014-12-30T22:35:55.017-06:00Some conservative groups have argued that scientif...Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey titled Homosexuality and Child Abuse. <br /><br />With 76 footnotes, many of them referring to papers in scientific journals, it appears at first glance to be a thorough and scholarly discussion of the issue. On further examination, however, its central argument – that "the evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls" – doesn't hold up. <br /><br />Gary: So you see, David, mainstream science and medicine do not find any evidence to support the claim that gay men are more likely to be pedophiles.<br /><br />If you are going to endorse such a position, please provide legitimate evidence for your position or admit that you are holding onto it solely for the purpose of whipping up anti-gay hysteria by playing on the fears of the parents and relatives of small children.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-5845894792541389152014-12-30T22:32:31.857-06:002014-12-30T22:32:31.857-06:00Reflecting the results of these and other studies,...Reflecting the results of these and other studies, as well as clinical experience, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote: <br /><br />Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147). <br /><br />In a later literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259). <br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-85801609418074131462014-12-30T22:27:43.759-06:002014-12-30T22:27:43.759-06:00From the University of California, Davis:
Members...From the University of California, Davis:<br /><br />Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women. <br />In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children" (Bryant, 1977, p. 114). [Bibliographic references are on a different web page] <br /><br />In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay people are child molesters. This argument was often made in debates about the Boy Scouts of America's policy to exclude gay scouts and scoutmasters. More recently, in the wake of Rep. Mark Foley's resignation from the US House of Representatives in 2006, antigay activists and their supporters seized on the scandal to revive this canard. <br /><br />It has also been raised in connection with scandals about the Catholic church's attempts to cover up the abuse of young males by priests. Indeed, the Vatican's early response to the 2002 revelations of widespread Church cover-ups of sexual abuse by priests was to declare that gay men should not be ordained<br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-26063389972894112822014-12-30T22:23:57.864-06:002014-12-30T22:23:57.864-06:00Ok, David. Please give me one accredited medical ...Ok, David. Please give me one accredited medical society or one law enforcement organization that provides statistics/research that gay men are more prone to pedophilia than heterosexual men.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-59548713631654885822014-12-30T22:10:05.145-06:002014-12-30T22:10:05.145-06:00Do you feel comfortable leaning so heavily on an o...Do you feel comfortable leaning so heavily on an organization which serves as a targeting service for an aspiring mass murderer?<br /><br />Lots of neutral sites have numbers showing the disproportionate number of same sex molestations. David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-11779093312128994952014-12-30T22:04:51.176-06:002014-12-30T22:04:51.176-06:00Our beliefs about others should be based on eviden...Our beliefs about others should be based on evidence, not whipped up hysteria.<br /><br />There is no scientific evidence that gay men are more prone to be pedophiles. This is simply a "boogeyman" created by the purveyors of Hate.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-70753154102061140592014-12-30T20:14:39.779-06:002014-12-30T20:14:39.779-06:00Depicting gay men as a threat to children may be t...<br /> Depicting gay men as a threat to children may be the single most potent weapon for stoking public fears about homosexuality — and for winning elections and referenda, as Anita Bryant found out during her successful 1977 campaign to overturn a Dade County, Fla., ordinance barring discrimination against gay people. Discredited psychologist Paul Cameron, the most ubiquitous purveyor of anti-gay junk science, has been a major promoter of this myth. Despite having been debunked repeatedly and very publicly, Cameron's work is still widely relied upon by anti-gay organizations, although many no longer quote him by name. Others have cited a group called the American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) to claim, as Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council did in November 2010, that "the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a [molestation] danger to children.”<br /><br />THE FACTS<br /><br /> According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are." Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.<br /><br /> Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found, as Herek notes, that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.<br /><br /> The Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends, and the majority are men married to women. Most child molesters, therefore, are not gay people lingering outside schools waiting to snatch children from the playground, as much religious-right rhetoric suggests.<br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-24391566197483601322014-12-30T20:13:46.477-06:002014-12-30T20:13:46.477-06:00>>That is hate speech, David.
Most of us c...>>That is hate speech, David. <br /><br />Most of us call it math.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-39218127112874276672014-12-30T20:10:07.338-06:002014-12-30T20:10:07.338-06:00"I suspect you probably know that people with..."I suspect you probably know that people with a homosexual inclination are considerably more prone to pedophilia than people without."<br /><br />That is hate speech, David. I will post a statement from the SPLC on just this false myth below.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-81905319917901670302014-12-30T20:08:11.905-06:002014-12-30T20:08:11.905-06:00Pastor Peters,
Here is a comment left on your blo...Pastor Peters,<br /><br />Here is a comment left on your blog that meets the SPLC definition of Hate Speech:<br /><br />"They (whoever they may be) prey on the confused, hormone laden youth and convince them that it is a choice and encourage same sex relationships even if for a "trial" to determine if you like any or all sexes. I liked Pr. Fisk's reply via Paul to the issue, that the Lord has just turned them over to a depraved mind, following their lusts. Soon, we'll be commenting on even more depravity, which will make homosexuality seem bland by comparison."<br /> ---Pastoral Meanderings, the Blog of Rev. Larry Peters<br /><br />This statement plays up the myth that gay men prey on adolescent boys for sexual conquest(a felony crime). This is no different than a Klansman saying the following:<br /><br />"We must keep the Coloreds separated from our women and children because it is a known fact that Colored men are more sexual promiscuous, prone to sexual diseases, and more likely to commit rape."<br /><br />Both are unfounded, hysteria-inciting hate speech.<br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-41669123026618581192014-12-30T20:05:07.135-06:002014-12-30T20:05:07.135-06:00>>We do not allow the Haters in our society ...>>We do not allow the Haters in our society to define the definition of Hate. <br /><br />Tough break for you.<br /><br />I suspect you probably know that people with a homosexual inclination are considerably more prone to pedophilia than people without. But there are heterosexual pedophiles as well. But both pedophiles and homosexuals are perverted in their sexuality.<br /><br />If you really care about them you'd want them to repent. But as you appear to have chosen the highway to hell it appears you want a lot of fellow travelers. David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-81925375140580875712014-12-30T19:59:42.636-06:002014-12-30T19:59:42.636-06:00David,
Lumping gays and lesbians into the same ...David, <br /><br />Lumping gays and lesbians into the same category as "pedophiles" (a crime) and "necrophiles" (a crime)is hate speech. If you do not believe me, go to the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center and read it for yourself.<br /><br />You may not like that this statement is considered hate speech, but Klansman probably don't agree that "nigger" should be considered hate speech.<br /><br />We do not allow the Haters in our society to define the definition of Hate.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-11764335019784178692014-12-30T19:53:48.215-06:002014-12-30T19:53:48.215-06:00>>You and David Gray may not care if the ACL...>>You and David Gray may not care if the ACLU and the SPLC label you and the LCMS as Hate Groups, but I will bet that Mr. and Mrs. John Laity in your church will.<br /><br />Actually the laity in our church has no regard for the SPLC or ACLU (wise men and women that they are). <br /><br />The SPLC isn't exactly a mainstream group but have served as a targeting service for an aspiring mass murder (who certainly would appear to be motivated by hate in his desire to shoot Christians).David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-58457087935134030892014-12-30T19:47:05.862-06:002014-12-30T19:47:05.862-06:00>>“When it comes down to it, it seems that t...>>“When it comes down to it, it seems that the real reason homosexual marriage is being pushed is to legitimize their relationship.” A more likely reason is that the Demonicrat party, homosexuals, pedophiles, necrophiles, polyamoriphiles, and every other kind of animal-, vegetable-, and mineral-philes have no interest in marriage, but simply want to destroy the concept of normal heterosexual (and Christian) marriage and any associated standards." <br /><br />OK Gary, let's look at that. Some of the language is a bit puerile but essentially Richard is discussing the motivation of two groups of people and why they wish to destroy the historic, conventional and orthodox understanding of marriage. The first group, the Democrats, Richard gets wrong. Individual Democrats are undoubtedly motivated by hostility to a genuine understanding of marriage but the party as a whole is motivated by power as much as any other factor.<br /><br />The other group is people whose sexuality is perverted. There are a good many examples from that group that their motivation is indeed the destruction of marriage. That is almost surely not true of each and every last member but it is certainly a conventional motivation as evidenced by their own statements.<br /><br />So Richard's primary point is sound and would be acknowledged by any knowledgeable and objective commenter. At most you can play style coach. David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-1727099652824715322014-12-30T19:41:06.506-06:002014-12-30T19:41:06.506-06:00Richard:
No, I am discussing your hateful, un-Chr...Richard:<br /><br />No, I am discussing your hateful, un-Christian behavior here because this is where you are at this moment of time.<br /><br />Repent, Bigot.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.com