tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post5600700812769368034..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: For the sake of the one. . . Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-21391011670200517002018-12-03T11:57:56.993-06:002018-12-03T11:57:56.993-06:00Chris,
Mine is
Mcannonba(dot)gmail(dot)comChris,<br /><br />Mine is<br /><br />Mcannonba(dot)gmail(dot)comDaniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-55472632098216520652018-12-03T09:59:52.953-06:002018-12-03T09:59:52.953-06:00Daniel,
pretty level-headed and knowledgeable
Th...Daniel,<br /><br /><i>pretty level-headed and knowledgeable</i><br /><br />That's what I am striving for -- thanks for the kind words.<br /><br />We're in the suburbs, not in Boston itself (though our congregation is First Lutheran in the Back Bay, so we are in town most Sundays). If you would like to try to get together drop me a line at jones (dot) chrisk (at) gmail (dot) com.<br />Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-3796486457877516502018-12-02T16:05:10.049-06:002018-12-02T16:05:10.049-06:00Chris, would love to grab a beer and discuss litur...Chris, would love to grab a beer and discuss liturgy with you. I'm a Catholic and I also live in Boston. You seem pretty level-headed and knowledgeable. <br /><br />God BlessDaniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-7774298024760894002018-11-30T14:50:55.888-06:002018-11-30T14:50:55.888-06:00One is hard put to say there can be no legitimate ...<i>One is hard put to say there can be no legitimate presentation of the Gospel or the use of the Lord's Supper apart from the liturgy.</i><br /><br />I can't speak for Protestants in general, but as a Lutheran I have no trouble saying that "there can be no legitimate presentation of the Gospel or the use of the Lord's Supper apart from the liturgy." After all, the Augsburg Confession claims that "the ministry of teaching the Gospel and administering the sacraments was instituted" in order to convey saving faith; "for through the Word and Sacraments, as through instruments, the Holy Ghost is given, who works faith." What the Augustana means here by "Word and Sacrament" is nothing other than the formal, public ministry of the Church; that is, the liturgy, understood as an objective means of grace.<br /><br /><i>the Divine Services are considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit</i><br /><br />I don't disagree with this, but it is a matter of historical fact that the liturgy has changed and developed over time, and it is far from clear that any and every such change has occurred through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The <i>Typikon</i> prescribes a maximal, monastic-style practice for both the Divine Liturgy and the daily office, and every bishop and every parish priest has to edit and shorten the services as a practical matter. The liturgy as it is experienced in different parishes is not uniform with the way it is done in other parishes or with the way it has been done in other times and places. Are <i>all</i> of those variations equally inspired by the Holy Spirit?<br /><br />I prefer to say that the structure and essential function of the liturgy are of Apostolic origin and authority, rather than that the specific liturgical texts are divinely inspired. I don't think that the latter claim can be supported, either historically or in any authoritative witnesses to the Tradition (Scripture, Fathers, Councils, etc.).Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10033019447738869482018-11-30T12:15:58.901-06:002018-11-30T12:15:58.901-06:00That looks like a Roman Missal.That looks like a Roman Missal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-53536743668960947682018-11-29T15:18:40.166-06:002018-11-29T15:18:40.166-06:00It would seem to me that the exhortation to give u...It would seem to me that the exhortation to give up what offends someone pertains to what protestants call adiophera. It would not apply to the dogma of the faith. For example, it was not acceptable to require circumcision of gentiles to avoid offending the jews or to forbid the eating of pork. <br /><br /> In the protestant faith only that which is required by Scripture can be imposed as necessary/required. You can make a good and strong argument for the value of the liturgy it but it is not required by Scripture and is not the only means of presenting the Gospel. The only requirement is that the Gospel be presented without compromise. One is hard put to say there can be no legitimate presentation of the Gospel or the use of the Lord's Supper apart from the liturgy. <br /><br />Since Orthodoxy is not bound by Scripture alone, the Divine Services are considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore not open to negotiations any more than the Bible itelf. Joseph Braggnoreply@blogger.com