tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post7008265041609391854..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: On That Which Dare Not Be Spoken...Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-52022931058530032312014-01-27T12:41:38.425-06:002014-01-27T12:41:38.425-06:00Receptionism is another form of syngerism because ...Receptionism is another form of syngerism because saying that it becomes the body and blood when it touches your touch makes salvation dependent upon you Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06107221411679603146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-71193494372796549822012-02-18T20:16:56.104-06:002012-02-18T20:16:56.104-06:00No. Any more than he said here, do this and that a...No. Any more than he said here, do this and that afterward instead. He did not say, nor is there recorded, anything about it. It is we who make inference about it on one side or another.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-18281714064598912442012-02-18T20:15:07.861-06:002012-02-18T20:15:07.861-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-79673631488104226582012-02-18T09:36:29.095-06:002012-02-18T09:36:29.095-06:00So you would have thought Jesus said that because ...So you would have thought Jesus said that because the meal was over these elements were no longer the character of food and should dropped into the latrine...Lutheran Pastornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-40587094887866616872012-02-17T23:44:12.512-06:002012-02-17T23:44:12.512-06:00Could be, but about that the Gospels say -- nothin...Could be, but about that the Gospels say -- nothing. Pious guesswork.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-39882295714185430392012-02-17T16:39:13.715-06:002012-02-17T16:39:13.715-06:00Or consumed at a later date... or reserved for use...Or consumed at a later date... or reserved for use.Lutheran Pastornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-42914704077058157302012-02-17T09:11:45.226-06:002012-02-17T09:11:45.226-06:00Kept in baskets? Where are they now? They were d...Kept in baskets? Where are they now? They were disposed of at some point and in some fashion, and there is nothing about that. Nothing. Nor is the fishes and loaves the Last Supper. Neither is Baptism related to this matter, unless you want to get into saving the water that falls off the person because that too conveyed God's grace.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-19453513403508051062012-02-17T09:02:50.486-06:002012-02-17T09:02:50.486-06:00Except that we know of the miracles that every scr...Except that we know of the miracles that every scrap and bit of the miracle food was gathered up and kept in baskets! Really. No directions? There is no explicit word in Scripture about baptizing women or infants and yet we believe this is so implicit that they are without need for a direction. You show your prejudice Mr. Maher and it is more obvious than the the prejudices of those you oppose.Lutheran Pastornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-44207149479498199432012-02-17T08:24:01.180-06:002012-02-17T08:24:01.180-06:00The question of using leavened bread is entirely u...The question of using leavened bread is entirely unrelated. And Luther did not misspeak; a monstrance and a tabernacle are entirely different and unmistakeable for each other. Montrance is related to our word demonstrate -- it means, to show. Originally they were used for relics too, but now only hosts. They are not used for reservation as a tabernacle is, and being portable unlike a tabernacle, could be used to carry consecrated elements to the sick, but only one of them, the bread. So, carrying consecrated elements to the sick is also an unrelated issue to reservation in a tabernacle.<br /><br />There is neither reason nor excuse for a tabernacle in a Lutheran church, or for "reservation" of the elements for use at an unspecified time. On top of which, only one of the elements is reserved and there are two, after Christ's institution, so the argument vaporises there too.<br /><br />There are no directions whatever about clean-up after the Last Supper, and none whatever about after the fact handling of the elements. All of that is theologising and humanly devised piety, not revelation and not from God.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-61306193783383607112012-02-17T06:15:45.872-06:002012-02-17T06:15:45.872-06:00Nice post, Pastor. And, regarding Chris Jones'...Nice post, Pastor. And, regarding Chris Jones' comments: That, as they say, will preach! Excellent. It has gotten so bad out there that I am familiar with a Lutheran parish in Texas which uses baked loaves of bread for their celebrations. After worship any remaining bread is put in the refrigerator and the church secretary eats it on Monday morning with butter and jam! How holy! ((Shudder))Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-63840244779297408202012-02-16T23:23:11.913-06:002012-02-16T23:23:11.913-06:00At least put the body and blood of Christ in a con...At least put the body and blood of Christ in a container marked "Consecrated" after the supper, since it served a holy use. It should be treated with care and reverence, not as ordinary bread and wine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-47015359011113400562012-02-16T23:00:28.385-06:002012-02-16T23:00:28.385-06:00Amen, Chris Jones.
And, Pr. Peters, thank you for...Amen, Chris Jones.<br /><br />And, Pr. Peters, thank you for this insightful post. I have been reconsidering my position on the topic of reservation over the past couple of days, so this was well-timed.Daniel Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02167233773588648850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-49921018043651359552012-02-16T12:02:20.222-06:002012-02-16T12:02:20.222-06:00It matters not how many Lutherans believe in it, n...It matters not how many Lutherans believe in it, nor whether it makes theological sense to you. It matters only what the bible teaches and what the Church has always confessed.<br /><br /> Let's be honest. Receptionist Lutherans are ashamed of what our Confessions teach because they are closet Zwinglians.Chris Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220498656377282715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-41246225698794317612012-02-16T11:25:39.329-06:002012-02-16T11:25:39.329-06:00Hear, hear. Although I fully recognize that reserv...Hear, hear. Although I fully recognize that reservation is and has been good practice, I still believe that consuming everything is the best practice. It avoids silly questions and any chance for desecrating our Lord's Body and Blood.Rev. Joshua Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05265502288700164812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10039359456251975682012-02-16T09:08:53.987-06:002012-02-16T09:08:53.987-06:00Receptionism is what many Lutherans
believe and it...Receptionism is what many Lutherans<br />believe and it makes the most<br />theological sense. Otherwise you<br />drift into the belief of Roman<br />Catholics and transubstantiation.<br />Lets be honest high-church Lutherans<br />are sometimes closet Roman Catholics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10116428180179457402012-02-16T06:42:01.667-06:002012-02-16T06:42:01.667-06:00My simple approach is this. The presence is there...My simple approach is this. The presence is there from the consecration until the intended distribution is done... whether that be the last table, the organist after the service, or the shut in during the afternoon or days later.<br /><br />Why? Um... I think Jesus is perfectly capable of being present as long as His faithful need Him, and I do not think we have the power to keep Him trapped longer than He needs to be there so we can have parades. But show respect, nonetheless (of course, do we show respect for most things that have been set aside for use in the Church anymore?).<br /><br />Overly simplistic - yes.Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.com