tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post7037533641852042144..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Leaving It All NOT to the Experts...Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-45691920198488841882010-08-31T00:51:32.893-05:002010-08-31T00:51:32.893-05:00Chris,
I'm no greek or patristics expert, but...Chris,<br /><br />I'm no greek or patristics expert, but how about the author of Hebrews?<br /><br />Hebrews 8:6 describes Christ's work on our behalf as His having obtained a more excellent liturgy. I think Pr. Beisel's definition makes sense in this context since Christ's redemptive work is decidedly for/on behalf of the people.<br /><br />There is some preisthood context in the previous verses, but it seems to me that taking a strict "of the people" definition here would mean that Christ's work as heavenly mediator is a work of the church and not a work of Christ on behalf of the church.<br /><br />I'm way out of my depth here so that is just a stab in the dark. Is that at least an original text use of the word as Pr. Beisel defined it? How far off am I?Mike Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202275259518132834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-2943077993759380212010-08-30T08:56:05.856-05:002010-08-30T08:56:05.856-05:00Anonymous,
Sarcasm aside, why do you hide your na...Anonymous,<br /><br />Sarcasm aside, why do you hide your name? Can you only debate from the shadows? Afraid, maybe?<br /><br />I made a valid point and typically the retort is that my knowledge of Greek or Latin is lacking which is not the case.<br /><br />Show me one church father who uses liturgy in the same manner as Pr. Beisel suggests and you will find none. It has always meant a work of the people.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-64404500128458702782010-08-29T23:00:20.674-05:002010-08-29T23:00:20.674-05:00Wow Chris, you are so brillant, far too smart for ...Wow Chris, you are so brillant, far too smart for Lutherans. Maybe its the progressive sanctification to deification of the EO. You do well at self-exaltation. You are far too great for a Rev. of the LCMS to bring "ignorance charge." God must be so proud of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-82004077094858338362010-08-29T20:18:24.490-05:002010-08-29T20:18:24.490-05:00Pr. Beisel,
Yes, liturgy CAN mean work on behal...Pr. Beisel, <br /><br />Yes, liturgy CAN mean work on behalf of the people, but show me one church father or apostolic writing which actually uses the term in that particular context or definition. I guarantee you will find none. It has always meant a work of the people for the people are working. Why would you try to parse this word into what it "could" mean if only so that it would square with your innovative theology. And, just so we are clear, I'm no amateur when it comes to the Greek language so don't try to refute me with some ignorance charge.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-13470499100628020872010-08-29T19:31:46.761-05:002010-08-29T19:31:46.761-05:00Actually, Chris, it can mean a work for or on beha...Actually, Chris, it can mean a work for or on behalf of the people.Rev. Paul Beiselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04678751687495292703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-67995988389618703792010-08-29T17:55:41.544-05:002010-08-29T17:55:41.544-05:00Pr. Peters,
Liturgy is the work of the people. Th...Pr. Peters,<br /><br />Liturgy is the work of the people. That's exactly what the word means.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.com