tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post7589287085922282145..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Mystery of FaithPastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-11134716624655109432020-09-07T10:21:01.191-05:002020-09-07T10:21:01.191-05:00Anonymous #2
You might find this paper interestin...Anonymous #2<br /><br />You might find this paper interesting regarding how Lutherans implemented “nothing has been received on our part against Scripture or the Church Catholic.” This included an exhortation. This did not include eucharistic prayers, the inaudible words of consecration, or the canon of the Mass.<br /><br />https://www.academia.edu/7563895/Tracing_Wittenbergs_Liturgical_Lineage_Mecklenburgs_Reception_of_Luthers_Reforms_of_the_MassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-28531718418893568132020-09-06T16:50:59.620-05:002020-09-06T16:50:59.620-05:00Anonymous,
Are you saying that it is not a myster...Anonymous,<br /><br />Are you saying that it is not a mystery of faith? I do not see how that is contradictory to the plain sense of Scripture when it comes to the real presence. Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-37263939709282953502020-09-06T07:11:24.554-05:002020-09-06T07:11:24.554-05:00Or do you not prefer the conclusion to the Augsbur...Or do you not prefer the conclusion to the Augsburg Confession:<br /><br />Only those things have been recounted whereof we thought that it was necessary to speak, in order that it might be understood that in doctrine and ceremonies nothing has been received on our part against Scripture or the Church Catholic. For it is manifest that we have taken most diligent care that no new and ungodly doctrine should creep into our churches. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-17131517552570617652020-09-05T09:14:10.978-05:002020-09-05T09:14:10.978-05:00The typical Lutheran snarky response to this artic...The typical Lutheran snarky response to this article is, of course, “And Philipp Melanchthon continues to roll in his grave.” Yet this misses the point. Pastor Peters can speak of a Western liturgical tradition that he would like the LCMS to adopt more and more of. Why exactly? The carefully chosen words are in a denominational sense unique to Roman Catholicism. There is no Western liturgical tradition of these words of the canon of the Mass in Protestantism of any stripe. So implicit in this viewpoint is that the visible traditions of Rome are a sort of more authentic benchmark for true Christian liturgical practice. This is a type of restorationism. Restorationism is a hallmark of phases of the 19th and 20th centuries when doubt in the church itself is prevalent. The 19th century was responding to rationalism and attacks on the authority of God’s Word itself. The 20th century saw much angst among Protestants about being sectarian, which led to a strong ecumenical and liturgical push for uniformity and fellowship. Our own age continues to anguish over inclusion and acceptance of all.<br /><br />Luther’s liturgical excisions, particularly in the canon of the Mass, can be cheerfully reversed one by one, under two propositions. One is adiaphora. The other is the charge that it sets the Lutheran Church up as an exclusive visible church, which is highly offensive today. Luther believed that neither the Catholics nor sacramentarians had the true Mass in their churches. The Roman view in particular is described as “the greatest abomination” in the Smalcald Articles. Our liturgical enthusiasts dismiss such confessional divisiveness, choosing instead to focus on the restorationist continuity with the Western liturgical tradition. What is the goal? Essentially a revision of worship in Lutheranism from the assembly gathered to hear God’s Word and responding in prayer and praise (Luther, Torgau sermon), to the assembly gathered to celebrate the ageless liturgy in unity of the catholic faith from Christ’s ascension to his coming again. While this sounds spiritual, it is in fact substituting “traditions of men” for the Word of God itself. <br /><br />Lutherans should not be made to feel ashamed for holding to Lutheran liturgical traditions. Or be told that we need to conform our worship to the Roman Mass. After all, in the Augsburg Confession, we state:<br /><br />“Also they teach that one holy Church is to continue forever. The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered.<br /><br />2] And to the true unity of the Church it is enough to agree concerning the doctrine of the Gospel and 3] the administration of the Sacraments. Nor is it necessary that human traditions, that is, rites or ceremonies, instituted by men, should be everywhere alike. 4] As Paul says: One faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all, etc. Eph. 4:5-6.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-34017087755126043252020-09-05T08:41:55.666-05:002020-09-05T08:41:55.666-05:00Not crooked thoughts in my estimation. It IS a my...Not crooked thoughts in my estimation. It IS a mystery of faith and that is why when certain of the disciples stopped walking with him after the bread of life discourse, he said what he said about the flesh, not his, but looking with the eyes of flesh and not the eyes of faith. Their thoughts were carnal and they were right because Christ did not mince words about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, but their carnal eyes could not perceive that Christ was/is able to give us his flesh and blood to drink unto the consummation of the world in the form of bread and wine. That is a mystery of faith that defies all human (fleshy) understanding but it is the Truth.Daniel G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00042322449680137387noreply@blogger.com