tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post7784343383146288912..comments2024-03-29T09:20:16.581-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Confirmation and Palm Sunday. . . Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-85589727505718286622017-05-29T23:10:34.077-05:002017-05-29T23:10:34.077-05:00The rite of confirmation described by Martin Chemn...The rite of confirmation described by Martin Chemnitz in his <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=KIoEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA297&f=false" rel="nofollow"><i>Examen Concilii Tridentini</i>, 25, p. 297</a> (1565–73), is mirrored in the previously-given excerpts from the Formula of Concord of 1577 (included in the Book of Concord of 1580).<br /><br />And Chemnitz's description is also mirrored in the Lutheran rite of confirmation of the LCMS, especially in the questions asked of the confirmands:<br /><br />• Do you desire to be a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church and of this congregation?<br />• Do you hold all the canonical books of the Bible to be the inspired Word of God, and the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, drawn from the Bible, as you have learned to know it from Luther's Small Catechism, to be the true and correct one? <br />• Do you also, as a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, intend to continue steadfast in the confession of this Church, and suffer all, even death, rather than to fall away from it? <br />• Do you intend faithfully to conform all your life to the rule of the divine Word, to be diligent in the use of the means of grace, to walk as it becometh the Gospel of Christ, and in faith, word, and deed to remain true to the Triune God, even unto death? <br /><br />In this age of liberalism and Lufauxran re-interpretations, it is important that the intentions of the first generation of Lutherans and their example provided in the Lutheran Confessions be maintained in the Rite of Confirmation and the understanding of the vows by the confirmands in becoming communicant members of congregations within the Evangelical Lutheran Church.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-91407683195074225802017-05-29T21:31:42.639-05:002017-05-29T21:31:42.639-05:00Martin Chemnitz, the great teacher of the Lutheran...Martin Chemnitz, the great teacher of the Lutheran confession of faith and Concordist, presents a type of confirmation and basic elements of a rite of confirmation for use. Perhaps we should have bias toward what the first generation of Lutherans were doing. <i>Ad fontes</i> is still a motto worth following.<br /><br /><b>25</b> With these things explained in this manner, the examination of the canons on confirmation will be easy and plain. For when the first canon condemns the kind of confirmation which consists of catechetical instruction of the children and their profession of faith, it has this meaning and purpose: Our theologians have often shown that if traditions that are useless, superstitious, and in conflict with Scripture are removed, the rite of confirmation can be used in godly fashion and for the edification of the church, namely in this way, that those who were baptized in infancy (for that is now the condition of the church) would, when they have arrived at the years of discretion, be diligently instructed in the sure and simple teaching of the church’s doctrine and, when it is evident that the elements of the doctrine have been sufficiently grasped, be brought afterward to the bishop and the church. There the child who was baptized in infancy would by a brief and simple admonition be reminded of his Baptism, namely, that he was baptized, how, why, and into what he was baptized, what in this Baptism the whole Trinity conferred upon and sealed to him, namely, the covenant of peace and the compact of grace, how there Satan was renounced and a profession of faith and a promise of obedience made.<br /><br />Second, the child himself would give his own public profession of this doctrine and faith.<br /><br />Third, he would be questioned concerning the chief parts of the Christian religion and would respond with respect to each of them or, if he should show lack of understanding in some part, he would be better instructed.<br /><br />Fourth, he would be reminded and would show by his confession that he disagrees with all heathenish, heretical, fanatical, and ungodly opinions.<br /><br />Fifth, there would be added an earnest and serious exhortation from the Word of God that he should persevere in his baptismal covenant and in this doctrine and faith and, by making progress in the same, might thereafter be firmly established.<br /><br />Sixth, public prayer would be made for these children that God would deign, by His Holy Spirit, to govern, preserve, and strengthen them in this profession. To this prayer there could be added without superstition the laying on of hands. This prayer would not be in vain, for it relies upon the promise concerning the gift of preservation and on God’s strengthening grace.<br /><br />Such a rite of confirmation would surely be very useful for the edification of the young and of the whole church. It would also be in harmony with both Scripture and the purer antiquity. For the account in Acts 19:1–7 clearly shows that when the Apostles laid their hands on someone an examination with respect to the doctrine and a profession of faith were made. Also, there are examples from the apostolic church of exhortation to perseverance and of confirming through the Word in the once-accepted doctrine and faith (Acts 14:22; 15:30–32; 18:11). And the account in Acts 8:14–17 shows that public prayer was added. Thus Canon 7 of the Council of Laodicaea and Canon 8 of the Council of Arles speak concerning an examination and profession of doctrine and faith in confirmation, as we have noted above. And for this reason a canon of a Council of Orleans requires a ripe age in the confirmand.<br /><br /><br /><br />Martin Chemnitz and Fred Kramer, <i>Examination of the Council of Trent</i>, electronic ed., vol. 2 (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1999), 211–213.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04565327604253256429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-61551081967552140142017-05-27T22:47:29.646-05:002017-05-27T22:47:29.646-05:00The Lutheran confirmation vow is exactly what it s...The Lutheran confirmation vow is exactly what it states - a confession of the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, drawn from the Scriptures, as you have learned to know it from the Small Catechism, to be faithful and true.<br /><br />It is not confession of the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, drawn from the Scriptures, <b>limited to those articles of doctrine</b> as you have learned to know it from the Small Catechism, to be faithful and true. That is the vow and <i>quatenus</i> subscription of a Lufauxran.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-65034502077856690042017-05-27T22:28:00.887-05:002017-05-27T22:28:00.887-05:00Strickert/Vehse/Who Knows
None of that matters a ...Strickert/Vehse/Who Knows<br /><br />None of that matters a whit in regard to what the vow means. All that matters in a vow is the content of the vow.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-80075278893634393192017-05-27T22:23:13.836-05:002017-05-27T22:23:13.836-05:00What I know, as stated in the SD excerpts, is that...What I know, as stated in the SD excerpts, is that the "<b>Creeds and Lutheran Symbols have been always regarded as the sum and model of the doctrine</b>." <br /><br />Furthermore I know from the SD that these Symbols, contained the Book of Concord, are the "<b>unanimously accepted, definite, common form of doctrine, which all our evangelical churches together and in common confess</b>."<br /><br />And just as the signers of the Formula of Concord, which references the other accepted Symbols, declare to be "<b>our faith, doctrine, and confession</b>" and "<b>a witness of the truth and as the unanimously received correct understanding of our predecessors</b>," so too the Lutheran confirmand also declares in his vow. <br /><br />Lufauxrans, of course, confess to something else or something less.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-24525352634180067442017-05-27T21:14:42.657-05:002017-05-27T21:14:42.657-05:00It seems so simple to me. At baptism we promised ...It seems so simple to me. At baptism we promised God and this congregation that we would raise up this child in the fear and knowledge of God. At confirmation we present this child to God and this congregation and confirm to them that we fulfilled this promise. This child now knows what we all know by way of instruction. It is a confirmation to the child, to the parents, to the congregation that this child is instructed and is now prepared to subscribe publicly to the teachings of this church. He is ready to join us all now in the unity of our altar. Adult baptism is different in that we instruct before we baptize.Joannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09777514643611989502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-61328217095852932482017-05-27T19:35:01.661-05:002017-05-27T19:35:01.661-05:00None of which means anything whatsoever regarding ...None of which means anything whatsoever regarding the actual contents of the vows. And you should know that. David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-36006136504114272172017-05-27T17:27:15.468-05:002017-05-27T17:27:15.468-05:00From FC SD, XII, 40:
Since now, in the sight of G...From FC SD, XII, 40:<br /><br />Since now, in the sight of God and of all Christendom [the entire Church of Christ], we wish to testify to those now living and those who shall come after us that this declaration [Formula of Concord] herewith presented concerning all the controverted articles aforementioned and explained, and no other, is our faith, doctrine, and confession, in which we are also willing, by God's grace, to appear with intrepid hearts before the judgment-seat of Jesus Christ, and give an account of it; and that we will neither privately nor publicly speak or write anything contrary to it, but, by the help of God's grace, intend to abide thereby: therefore, after mature deliberation, we have, in God's fear and with the invocation of His name, attached our signatures with our own hands.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-54403101023737058302017-05-27T17:25:53.454-05:002017-05-27T17:25:53.454-05:00From the Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Ru...From the Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Rule and Norm, 9-11:<br /><br />"In the pure churches and schools these public common writings [the Creeds and Lutheran Symbols previously noted] have been always regarded as the sum and model of the doctrine which Dr. Luther, of blessed memory, has admirably deduced from God's Word, and firmly established against the Papacy and other sects; and to his full explanations in his doctrinal and polemical writings we wish to appeal, in the manner and as far as Dr. Luther himself in the Latin preface to his published works has given necessary and Christian admonition concerning his writings, and has expressly drawn this distinction namely, that the Word of God alone should be and remain the only standard and rule of doctrine, to which the writings of no man should be regarded as equal, but to which everything should be subjected....<br /><br />"But what has thus far been said concerning the summary of our Christian doctrine is intended to mean only this, that we should have a unanimously accepted, definite, common form of doctrine, which all our evangelical churches together and in common confess, from and according to which, because it has been derived from God's Word, all other writings should be judged and adjusted as to how far they are to be approved and accepted.<br /><br />"For that we embodied the above-mentioned writing, namely, the Augsburg Confession, Apology, Smalcald Articles, Luther's Large and Small Catechisms, in the oft-mentioned Sum of our Christian doctrine, was done for the reason that these have always and everywhere been regarded as the common, unanimously accepted meaning of our churches, and, moreover, have been subscribed at that time by the chief and most enlightened theologians, and have held sway in all evangelical churches and schools."Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-73344906368567930212017-05-27T15:14:51.026-05:002017-05-27T15:14:51.026-05:00The Eighth Commandment.
Thou shalt not bear false...The Eighth Commandment.<br /><br />Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.<br /><br />What does this mean?--Answer.<br /><br />We should fear and love God that we may not deceitfully belie, betray, slander, or defame our neighbor, but defend him, [think and] speak well of him, and put the best construction on everything.<br />David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-23436538169289576452017-05-27T14:49:58.331-05:002017-05-27T14:49:58.331-05:00It is Lufauxranism that "alters the meaning o...It is Lufauxranism that "alters the meaning of a vow" away from confessional Lutheranism.<br /><br />As I previously stated, confession Lutheranism confirms the understanding of the confirmation vow as an unconditional subscription to the Lutheran confessions.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-60415235440501927002017-05-27T14:29:51.556-05:002017-05-27T14:29:51.556-05:00Nothing external to a vow alters the meaning of a ...Nothing external to a vow alters the meaning of a vow.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-47622082301603916612017-05-27T13:44:29.470-05:002017-05-27T13:44:29.470-05:00The context of Scripture, the Lutheran Confessions...The context of Scripture, the Lutheran Confessions, the stated position of the Missouri Synod, and the constitution of member congregations (twice in my congregation's constitution) confirm that the understanding of the confirmation vow is to an unconditional subscription to the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church which is exposited in the Book of Concord of 1580. <br /><br />LCCV (Lufauxran commments may vary)Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-45860652488570921942017-05-27T12:47:09.290-05:002017-05-27T12:47:09.290-05:00Any vow means what the words constituting the vow ...Any vow means what the words constituting the vow mean. No external source can alter the meaning of those words.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-27757087760160856822017-05-27T12:25:24.204-05:002017-05-27T12:25:24.204-05:00In his paper, "Straight Talk About Closed Com...In his paper, "<a href="http://www.ourredeemerlcms.org/straight%20talk.pdf" rel="nofollow">Straight Talk About Closed Communion</a>," Pr. William P. Terjesen states:<br /><br />"Closed communion (some call it 'close communion') is the Bible-based practice of normally communing only those who have been properly instructed in the teachings of the Ev. Lutheran Church and who have shown, through confirmation, profession of faith, or other proper reception into one of our churches, that they are united with us in faith and doctrine.<br /><br />"Closed communion is most definitely NOT simply the personal opinion or practice of some of our more conservative pastors. It is not an option that each pastor may do or not do as he sees fit....If I were to bar the way to Holy Communion for people simply on the basis of my personal preference or opinion, and not on the basis of the Word of God, the Lutheran Confessions and the theology and practice of the Missouri Synod, I would be a cad, a lout, and a false teacher. No, those who practice closed communion do so precisely because it is taught in the Bible and the Book of Concord, and is the official position of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.<br /><br />"We must come to grips with the biblical fact that when you join a church, that act is a public testimony given before God and the world, and bound with an oath, that you subscribe to the teachings of that church. Whatever your personal opinions may be, your membership in this church is your public confession of faith before the world that you believe and confess what we believe, teach and confess.<br /><br /><i>Romans 10:9-10 - 9) that if you <b>confess with your mouth</b> the Lord Jesus and <b>believe in your heart</b> that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10) For <b>with the heart one believes unto righteousness</b>, and <b>with the mouth confession is made unto salvation</b>.</i><br /><br />"The confession of our mouths and the belief of our hearts is supposed to be the same thing. The idea that a person would belong to a church but not necessarily believe what that church teaches is an attitude unworthy of Christian profession."<br /><br />The practice of "early communion" (i.e., prior to confirmation with its public confession of the doctrine exposited in the Book of Concord of 1580) is the lufauxran practice of open communion.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-29178954604278316732017-05-27T12:22:06.493-05:002017-05-27T12:22:06.493-05:00What needs to be understood is the meaning the wor...What needs to be understood is the meaning the words of the Lutheran Rite of Confirmation in the Missouri Synod today and the understanding of the confirmation vow by which the confirmand becomes a communicant member in his congregation.<br /><br />In its November 1999 document, "<a href="https://www.lcms.org/document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=411" rel="nofollow">Admission to the Lord’s Supper: Basics of Biblical and Confessional Teaching</a>," the CTCR stated (pp. 45-6):<br /><br />"[I]f individual church members are not seen as 'confessors' of their church body’s doctrine, then the concept of church membership is watered down to the point of meaninglessness. The rationale for any catechesis in the traditional sense of the term vanishes, and there emerges a resounding contradiction between our own confirmation process and the attitude with which we view members of other denominations. Indeed, there would be no theological rejoinder possible to a member of an adult membership class in one of our churches who publicly rejected (for example) the Lutheran doctrine of baptism and still wanted to join the congregation.<br /><br />"[U]nless individual Christians can be seen as 'confessors' of their church body’s doctrine, Scripture’s teaching concerning altar and pulpit fellowship as historically confessed by the LCMS becomes virtually meaningless. It is true that one could maintain that on the denominational or even congregational levels, there should not be joint communion services. But if any of the individuals in those services could–at least in theory and under ordinary circumstances— commune together, then the formal practice would be emptied of all real meaning....<br /><br />"The Eucharist is the congregation’s sacrament of unity. Differences of [or partial or no] confession cannot be a matter of indifference when seeking the unity presupposed by the Lord’s Supper, the very unity that the Supper is given to maintain and preserve."Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-55477642882898749602017-05-27T12:17:24.272-05:002017-05-27T12:17:24.272-05:00It means what the words say. Anyone can read them...It means what the words say. Anyone can read them and understand what it means.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-25210424069530943962017-05-27T10:39:15.084-05:002017-05-27T10:39:15.084-05:00When the confirmation vow is not understood as a s...When the confirmation vow is not understood as a subscription to the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church exposited in the Book of Concord of 1580, the confirmation vow is being understood as a subscription to open (early) communion and other Lufauxran practices.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-62692235515715815452017-05-27T09:38:22.399-05:002017-05-27T09:38:22.399-05:00Obviously you'll have to change the confirmand...Obviously you'll have to change the confirmand's vow.David Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966977894876326659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89813362962383429352017-05-27T08:55:12.430-05:002017-05-27T08:55:12.430-05:00If the traditions of confirmation were perverted b...If the traditions of confirmation were perverted by the Age of Rationalism bogeyman, then why, in the past 170 years, have no confessional Lutheran leaders and pastors in Missouri Synod, who have the responsibility for carrying out the Rite of Confirmation, subsequently purged such errors from the Rite of Confirmation?<br /><br />In fact, rather than focusing on the associated adiaphora, confessional Lutherans in the Missouri Synod should emphasize what the Rite of Confirmation, following catechesis, is supposed to be: a public examination and public vow by the confirmand of his uncondtitional subscription to the doctrine in the Book of Concord of 1580 as a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, and his desire to become a communicant member of his congregation that holds and requires that same confessional subscription as a member of the Missouri Synod.<br /><br />This correct Rite of Confirmation is congruent with the Evangelical Lutheran Church (and the Missouri Synod's supposed) position on closed communion. Such a correct Rite of Confirmation stands as a bulwark against the heterodox open communion practice of "early communion" (with "early" meaning any post-baptism time prior to confirmation). <br /><br />Comparison to any confirmation vows during Martin Luther's day would need to realize that the referenced exposition of the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church to which a confirmand subscribes was not available until forty-four years after Luther's death.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-19328268605273440602017-05-27T07:07:08.813-05:002017-05-27T07:07:08.813-05:00Pastor, I am certain there is a faithful few who t...Pastor, I am certain there is a faithful few who take Confirmation seriously, no matter when it is held. Not everything is dark.Ted Badjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220879004715648795noreply@blogger.com