tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post7916809934389774095..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Late but still interesting. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-71446613301785354412020-10-17T17:32:57.815-05:002020-10-17T17:32:57.815-05:00Since I moderate comments, I can see that a fight ...Since I moderate comments, I can see that a fight is a brewing over my mention. So I will close comments on this blog post now and suffice it to say that it truly amazes me how testy some become about any mention of the BVM. Let us remember that all of this was more than 300 years before the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was proclaimed by a pope. Wow. Touchy.Pastor Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-42687369134605782622020-10-17T17:29:57.573-05:002020-10-17T17:29:57.573-05:00But what of Luther (1996), p. 291:
"Mother Ma...But what of Luther (1996), p. 291:<br />"Mother Mary, like us, was born in sin of sinful parents, but the Holy Spirit covered her, sanctified and purified her so that this child was born of flesh and blood, but not with sinful flesh and blood. The Holy Spirit permitted the Virgin Mary to remain a true, natural human being of flesh and blood, just as we. However, he warded off sin from her flesh and blood so that she became the mother of a pure child, not poisoned by sin as we are. For in that moment when she conceived, she was a holy mother filled with the Holy Spirit and her fruit is a holy pure fruit, at once God and truly man, in one person."<br /><br />or<br /><br />“It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin" -Martin Luther (Sermon: "On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527).<br /><br />or<br /><br />Now, many a Lutheran would be utterly shocked to hear Luther's take on the whole question (that Mary was indeed conceived with original sin, but that the Holy Spirit did a clean up job on her in Anne's womb so that she was preserved from all actual sin throughout her life - don't ask me where, but it's in the St. Louis [German] Edition of Luther's works - a sermon on the Conception of Mary). Weedon's Blog<br /><br />Lutheran Lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-82655941929339285242020-10-17T11:28:47.792-05:002020-10-17T11:28:47.792-05:00"Of course, Luther kept until death as his pi...<i>"Of course, Luther kept until death as his pious opinion but not doctrine the Immaculate Conception of Mary. In 1544, Luther said...."</i><br /><br />Romish FakeNews!! And traced back to Romanist historian Thomas O'Meara.<br /><br />In his October 2, 2010, <i>Beggars All</i> blog, "<a href="https://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/10/luther-god-has-formed-soul-and-body-of.html" rel="nofollow">Luther: God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins</a>," James Swan exposes in detail, with numerous links, this Romish old wives' tale about what Luther allegedly said and when he said it<br /><br />Briefly, while the collection of Luther's sermons was titled as "<i>Hauspostille</i> 1544," the sermon used as the basis for the alleged quote was from 1532. And Swan includes, along with surrounding context from the original German, an English translation of the <b>actual quote</b> (<a href="https://archive.org/details/werkekritischege52luthuoft/page/39/mode/1up" rel="nofollow">WA51:39, lines 25-28</a>):<br /><br /><i>"For He was so conceived of the Holy Ghost, and God poured out so richly His Holy Spirit into the soul and body of the Virgin Mary that without any sin she conceived and bore our Lord Jesus."</i><br /><br />Thus, the subject is the immaculate conception of Jesus Christ, not the conception of his mother Mary.<br /><br />As I previously <a href="http://pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com/2009/12/problem-of-mary.html?showComment=1261623564513#c5993618133168601621" rel="nofollow">noted</a> in a December 23, 2009, Pastoral Meanderings blog, <i>"So, at best, one might find "mentions" of Mary's immaculate conception Romanist fairy tale by Luther from early days. But after 1529, there is no solid indication of Luther holding such a view, especially at the end of his life."</i>Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com