tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post8103413547520559076..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Pastoral Authority.... in short supply... use wiselyPastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-85100115694555161012012-03-08T06:43:50.217-06:002012-03-08T06:43:50.217-06:00There are those who would not see lay reading of a...There are those who would not see lay reading of a lesson or lay assistants at communion (male) as any abdication of authority for the authority lies not in what people do but in the office itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-25043112191519439412012-03-08T03:10:44.638-06:002012-03-08T03:10:44.638-06:00I believe that the ram rod type pastor is still al...I believe that the ram rod type pastor is still alive and well, today. Maybe they believe that they have to be such in order to appear to be in charge. <br /><br />I've visited congregations where the Readings are done by the laity, and where women assist at Holy Communion. How can a pastor who will abdicate his authority on the chancel claim any authority in any other aspect of the congregation?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07186384126211612393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-77630098021316229602012-03-07T16:52:48.139-06:002012-03-07T16:52:48.139-06:00How many of us were bought up to believe in the pa...How many of us were bought up to believe in the pastor's office? That he stands in the stead of Christ?<br /><br />How many of us are willing to believe it now?<br /><br />How many of us are willing to allow pastors to be human and fallible? We don't want anyone making 'mistakes' with our lives!Janis Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947508427040251166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-287294913596379322012-03-07T13:10:03.966-06:002012-03-07T13:10:03.966-06:00Because our pastoral authority is in short supply,...<em>Because our pastoral authority is in short supply, an even greater burden is placed upon our passion for the sake of the Gospel and our passion in preached the cross.</em><br /><br />I think this is coming at it from the wrong end.<br /><br />You're talking about the perception of authority or the recognition of authority on the part of the people. I think you should be talking about the actual and real authority that Christ conveys on His ministers, whether the people recognize it or not.<br /><br />That authority has been abused in the past by both pastors and laity when either group ascribed some "other" authority to the pastor, like, the authority to choose the color of the carpet, etc. Christ never gave that authority to the ministry. It was always a "human arrangement."<br /><br />If a pastor is trying to sway the congregation with human arguments, then yes, there is a greater burden placed on his "passion." If, however, he is truly preaching with the authority of Christ, then the burden is no greater now than it has ever been, and the Word will be just as effective as it has always been, whether people come in acknowledging the authority of Christ in His servant or not.Rev. Paul A. Rydeckihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01447491206453142100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-89321335006782942882012-03-07T10:37:46.839-06:002012-03-07T10:37:46.839-06:00"The authority of the Pastor was once seeming...<i>"The authority of the Pastor was once seemingly endless."</i> <br /><br />Yes, it has been a while since American Lutherans have signed a <i>Pledge of Subjection</i> like the one made to Bishop Martin Stephan to obey his "ordinances, dispositions, and regulations which His Highness may make in religious as well as communal matters." (Although the BRTFSSG sodomy of the synodical constitution moved the Missouri Synod back toward that direction.) <br /> <br />For Missouri Saxon Lutherans the change came with the 1839 <i>Protestation</i> document, which was read by Pastor Walther in 1842 at his Trinity Lutheran Church congregational meeting, and continued with the Trinity Lutheran Church constitution developed in 1843 by C.F.W. Walther and Trinity Lutheran congregational voters, and <a href="http://www.reclaimingwalther.org/articles/cfw00001.htm" rel="nofollow">Dr. C.F.W. Walther's First Presidential Address</a> in 1848, at the second Missouri Synod convention.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-30188584504196810452012-03-07T08:52:08.611-06:002012-03-07T08:52:08.611-06:00Jesus taught his disciples with
authority. Pastor...Jesus taught his disciples with<br />authority. Pastors can teach their<br />congregation with authority when<br />they are Christ-centered and Bible-<br />based teachers of God's Word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-25725443156257008212012-03-07T07:59:29.210-06:002012-03-07T07:59:29.210-06:00In case you missed it, pastoral
leadership is what...In case you missed it, pastoral<br />leadership is what the laity are<br />looking for today. The pastoral<br />authority was abused in the past at<br />parish council meetings and voters<br />meetings.<br /><br />In the previous generation the pastor<br />would ramrod his projects through<br />the congregation and let them figure<br />how to pay for it. Today, that model<br />is dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com