tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post8242732473297825855..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Women probably stay. . . for now. . . Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-84796456853680511832017-04-06T17:54:00.435-05:002017-04-06T17:54:00.435-05:00Most of the responses on the blogosphere, to the i...Most of the responses on the blogosphere, to the idea of Anglicans and Lutherans dialoguing lack a spirit of honest ecumenism through academically sound dialogue. Just because we aren't 100% identical in either doctrine, practice or order, that doesn't mean we can't get there someday. Many Lutherans (even conservative bodies that we're in fellowship with) have been and some still are, members of the Porvoo Communion across Europe, and maybe -- as the statement has said -- there is a place for legitimate plurality in the one church of Christ. Saying that fellowship will come only when they reject Anglicanism and join our own LCMS may seem wholly pious, but it is sayings like that that are unhelpful at best; sectarian at worst. The Evangelical Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04338578417516639536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-86284826600243213302017-04-05T18:44:12.484-05:002017-04-05T18:44:12.484-05:00Any Anglican (and Episcopal) congregations are wel...Any Anglican (and Episcopal) congregations are welcome to leave their church bodies and join the LCMS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-40308521523395155682017-04-04T16:44:42.327-05:002017-04-04T16:44:42.327-05:00It is really simple, not complicated. The LCMS sho...It is really simple, not complicated. The LCMS should have separated from the ACNA. It is unnecessary to compromise. It is not even necessary to vote on it. Just do it. Stick to our own distinctives and doctrines and follow the Bible. Relationships with other denominations except in matters of common charity or mutual causes (I,e. abortion) should not be our focus.John Joseph Flanaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06596324816480709495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-17800663506585955462017-04-04T15:56:42.720-05:002017-04-04T15:56:42.720-05:00In 2016, the snuggling ACNA/LCC/LCMS threesome rel...In 2016, the snuggling ACNA/LCC/LCMS threesome released a 13-page report, "<a href="https://www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=3994" rel="nofollow">On Closer Acquaintance</a>," which contained such ecumenical droppings as: <br /><br />"Rather than describe ACNA and LCMS–LCC as sister churches, we should acknowledge each other as ecclesial first cousins, closely related indeed, but not yet partaking publicly of the same Lord’s Table." <br /><br />"At this stage we walk the middle path of what our RC friends call 'imperfect communion.' We aim here to draw upon our respective formularies from the Reformation period and, where possible, also the modern era, to establish the range and degree of consensus that exists between us on major articles of faith and their consequences for churchly practice."<br /><br />"The theologians of 17th-century Lutheran Orthodoxy taught that, as the Church becomes visible through the means of grace, she is seen to be the 'synthetic' or 'composite' Church (<i>ecclesia synthetica</i>), composed of laity and clergy. ACNA likewise teaches the biblical doctrine (1 Cor 3:9; Phil 1:1b) of the divinely willed distinction of laity and clergy who are to work together in the mission of the Church."<br /><br />"LCMS–LCC understand the instituting words and deeds of Christ, authoritatively interpreted by the apostles, to preclude the ordination of women to the office of pastor (presbyter/bishop). The majority within ACNA holds this position, while being engaged at the present time in a consensus-seeking discussion with the minority within its midst that takes the opposite view."<br /><br />"The remarkable convergence of our two confessions on this point of doctrine [justification] on which Luther comments, “When this article stands, the Church stands; when it falls, the Church falls” (<i>WA</i> 40 III. 352, 3), gives a strong impetus to our churches to implore the Lord’s assistance toward our achieving the degree of consensus that would make full church fellowship possible."<br /><br /><b>Wait! What?!?</b> <br /><br />The LCMS signatories confirm here that the church bodies have only to achieve some unspecified (Is it the magic 85%?) "degree of consensus", rather than full agreement in all articles of doctrine, for altar and pulpit fellowship between the LCMS and a small (112K) church body that permits the ordination of female pastrixes, and has shown no meaningful desire to recant such heterodoxy. <br /><br />The Purple Palace is throwing away its credibility.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-39955572018130357532017-04-04T10:16:07.243-05:002017-04-04T10:16:07.243-05:00For years LCMS leadership has tried to move beyond...For years LCMS leadership has tried to move beyond ecumenical second base with the ACNA as well as with NALC, EECMY, ECAC-CR, ECAC-SK, and ELCT, to name a few. None of these religious organizations has ever given the slightest hint they are interested in dropping the ordination of pastrixes or their other heterodoxies.<br /><br />The LCMS has tried to fool Lutheran pewsitters with the use of <a href="https://blogs.lcms.org/2014/eecmy-lcms-sign" rel="nofollow">selective (and TOP SECRET) fellowship agreements</a>, a <a href="http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augsburg-confession-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4381" rel="nofollow">duplicitous "Side Note"</a>, and describing these religious organizations with the oxymoronic phrase, "increasingly confessional" (See <a href="http://www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=4432" rel="nofollow">11/2016 LCMS BOD Minutes</a>).<br /><br />And that's in addition to pewsitters having to wear hipwaders while sloshing through <i>"apparently come to something of a conclusion... appears to suggest... some ecumenical partners (perhaps the LCMS)... the future of the rather surprising close connection between the LCMS and ACNA may be cloudy."</i>Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-50052900956929563802017-04-04T09:26:48.154-05:002017-04-04T09:26:48.154-05:00The ACNA is only very recently separated from ECUS...The ACNA is only very recently separated from ECUSA, and as such, it has brought the ECUSA virus with it. It uses the deliberately heretical BCP 1979, it ordains women, and many of its members can't see a problem with abortion. All Christians would do well to hold ACNA at arms length (or further). It is numerically fairly large, but it will founder on the same rocks that have sunk ECUSA.<br /><br />Fr. D+<br />Continuing Anglican Priest<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-63204509542620142772017-04-04T06:56:03.985-05:002017-04-04T06:56:03.985-05:00The bishops' statement was a concatenation of ...The bishops' statement was a concatenation of pure weasel words, ans wellas proof that ACNA is no more than liberalism lite - they are just uncomfortable with the liberalism of TEC.Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.com