tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post8274245411610278653..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: A Few Thoughts on Ecclesiastical Supervision. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-85439143408372054762016-06-10T03:43:08.894-05:002016-06-10T03:43:08.894-05:00To previous posters:
Reading across the internet,...To previous posters:<br /><br />Reading across the internet, your concerns are what most of the brouhaha is about. Liberals, former CCM, and certain DP's are complaining to high heaven about ecclesiastical oversight. Our current bylaws and DRP really try to neuter the synodical president. The complaints are about whether the SP and synod presidium can be an appeal for when a DP fails to act. And the prime example is Matthew Becker. Pres. Linnemann has repeatedly refused to correct/condemn Becker's public dissent of LCMS positions. Some have argued he was only raising concerns, but in his public blogging he has at times talked about teaching his Valpo students, indicating he has helped LCMS women bail to the ELCA to become ordained.<br /><br />It finally took a DP (Forke, Montana) who had a stature the Linnemann could not blow off, and Becker finally resigned. The liberal voices complain how the synod is libel in still naming Becker in overtures and resolutions, claiming the problem no longer exists. But it does exist, because the STRUCTURE still allows DP's to act without effective oversight off their own actions, but the SP.<br /><br />In my opinion, much of the underlying pushback is about control, and who has it. Certain DP's do not want a boss, so that they can still act upon their novelties. They wish to force the camel's nose into the tent, and do not want to be held accountable to corrections for their terrible ideas.<br /><br />After reading various blogs for 6 years now, LCMS.org and its facebook, and even a few personal contacts, to me it is pretty much the usual suspects. The concerns raised here are not new or isolated. Even the times I have gotten involved and dealt with an issue or two, it is sad that I knew the blowback was coming, and completely expected it from the sources whence it came.<br />Jason Kiefernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-47484320239666620242016-06-09T09:19:37.552-05:002016-06-09T09:19:37.552-05:00@ Pr K & Anonymous: I have been in 2 congrega...@ Pr K & Anonymous: I have been in 2 congregations and have seen 2 DP's - I refuse to dignify them with the title of bishop - sit around with their thumbs in rectal defilade whie fine pastors were run out by cabals who were allowed to act with impunity.<br /><br />Let's take supervision a step further: given public nuisances like Mr Kieschnick in the presidential office, who will discipline wayward presidents? Given heretics like Becker, what mechanism doe we have in place to oversee or semiaries? Ah, the wonders of congregationalism.<br /><br />Finally, what of regular pastoral visitation at the level of the congregation? That really hits a nerve!Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-14331881934627356542016-06-08T10:58:14.202-05:002016-06-08T10:58:14.202-05:00Your article is fine and good, but what about the ...Your article is fine and good, but what about the supervision of District Presidents? This problem of supervision must start at the top with our leaders. They need to be disciplined when they believe and act contrary to Scripture. Pres. Harrison has his hands full, no doubt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-2427767009690470452016-06-08T09:59:35.636-05:002016-06-08T09:59:35.636-05:00As one who has been burnt by ecclesiastical overse...As one who has been burnt by ecclesiastical overseers concerning things that have little to do with Scripture and the Confessions, I find it difficult not to feel a certain trepidation concerning ecclesiastical oversight, even though I now have a solid district president. In the LCMS we have a DP who endorses and indeed is heavily involved in FiveTwo. Others endorse PLI and TCN. Who is overseeing that? And how can they oversee orthodoxy? <br /><br />There isn't true unity n the LCMS, and the appearance of oversight will not change that. Rev. Alan Kornacki, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07322307218829558622noreply@blogger.com