tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post8409720821338006349..comments2024-03-29T09:20:16.581-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Lord, teach us to pray. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-1949413377346919912020-03-13T10:36:17.635-05:002020-03-13T10:36:17.635-05:00John 20
22 And when he [Jesus] had said this, he b...John 20<br />22 And when he [Jesus] had said this, he breathed on them [the disciples] and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />Acts 2<br />4 And they [the disciples] were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.<br /><br />Acts 4<br />8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-53371995394884245062020-02-17T21:31:09.347-06:002020-02-17T21:31:09.347-06:00Anonymous: There is no doubt that the vast majorit...Anonymous: There is no doubt that the vast majority of Christians believe, and rightly so, that the Lord's Prayer is the best and most important prayer for any of us. Just because I do not think that our Lord prayed it (since Scripture has no specific teaching on this matter, we are free to believe as we chose, provided it does not violate any other portion of Scripture), that does not mean that I wish to diminish it in any way.<br />I learned it in German from my mother, and I repeated it over and over again while sitting in a basement in Vienna with bombs raining down on us every day for many month.<br />I have had similar thoughts as you, when I sat in the dentist's chair.<br />Peace and Joy!<br />George A. MarquartAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-66461666290944636832020-02-17T15:56:58.728-06:002020-02-17T15:56:58.728-06:00I learned to say the Lord's Prayer two ways. ...I learned to say the Lord's Prayer two ways. With "our trespasses" in my dad's MSL church that we attended most of the time and "our debts" while in Mom's Reformed Church when visiting her large, extended family. Its also a good prayer to say at the dentist when it hurts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-9817760884916348102020-02-17T15:42:54.756-06:002020-02-17T15:42:54.756-06:00
Die Botschaft hör ich wohl, allein mir fehlt der...<br /><br />Die Botschaft hör ich wohl, allein mir fehlt der Glaube. Inasmuch as our Lord Himself forgave sin, I find this argument difficult to believe. Following the rule of Occam’s razor, I find it to be more reasonable that our Lord meant this prayer for His Disciples, not for Himself. I think it is likely that, if our Lord prayed this prayer, He would have told His Disciples that He did. It is, no doubt, a pious sentiment, but I feel that sometimes people drive the “equality with the human Jesus” a little too far. I also think that our Lord took His conversations with His and our Father too seriously to allow any ambiguity in them.<br /><br />Since I now had to read Dr. Kleinig’s “The Gift of Prayer,” I took notes of these words in his conclusion, “So God provides us with His Holy Spirit, not just once but again and again, whenever we pray. The Spirit is the Spirit of prayer, for He is not just received by faith in prayer, but also prompts us when we pray.”<br /><br />There is no support in Scripture for the notion that anyone receives the Spirit more than once; in other words, not “again and again.” Also, nowhere does Scripture tell us that we receive the Holy Spirit other than in Baptism.<br /><br />If he can be so obviously wrong in his conclusion, it makes it more likely that he is wrong in his initial assertion.<br /><br />Peace and Joy!<br />George A. Marquart<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-29514719186503374062020-02-16T22:05:33.228-06:002020-02-16T22:05:33.228-06:00George,
Consider the vicarious atonement. Indeed,...George, <br />Consider the vicarious atonement. Indeed, when Jesus prays it, the Father has nothing to forgive. Also, He can pray "forgive us" because He has sinful brothers and sisters, while He is without sin, He prays with "us" and for "us." Don't see an theological dilemma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-87450855469555143852020-02-16T08:25:29.828-06:002020-02-16T08:25:29.828-06:00I would be very interested to know how Dr. Kleinig...I would be very interested to know how Dr. Kleinig explains the sinless Son of God praying, "and forgive us our trespasses."<br />Peace and Joy!<br />George A. MarquartAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-36098284771693698192020-02-15T16:54:33.252-06:002020-02-15T16:54:33.252-06:00WOW! I never thought about it just like this. So h...WOW! I never thought about it just like this. So helpful. But then Kleinig is nearly always helpful, as are you, Pr. Peters.<br />I pray the prayer in the morning and evening, but this makes me think it ought to be used even more often, not less.<br />BTW, in my younger days, before the LBW, I also chanted the Lord’s Prayer, and insofar as I remember no one in the congregation complained or thought it unusual in an ALC - Danish heritage congregation.Pr. Jim Wagnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-9907025271389027092020-02-15T15:54:18.389-06:002020-02-15T15:54:18.389-06:00I couldn't agree with you more. I say the Lord...I couldn't agree with you more. I say the Lord's Prayer every day, often more than once. I also find it is good to pray during the day, when walking about, working, thinking, as a way to continually be "in touch" with Our Lord. Reading the Bible daily is uplifting. Being a follower of Jesus should be our main identity, and our other roles support that identity. When we read the Bible often, and pray frequently, we will find a peace of mind that makes one overjoyed about being a Christian. Although we sin, the Holy Spirit guards our souls in practicing the believer's way of life. Soli Deo Gloria.John Joseph Flanaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06596324816480709495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-35463721357975892282020-02-15T10:43:15.891-06:002020-02-15T10:43:15.891-06:00"a member left upset because the pastor had s...<i>"a member left upset because the pastor had sung the Our Father we had deprived this individual of the prayer."</i> <br /><br />Not mentioned was who made the decision to establish this adiaphoron or ceremony in the Divine Service for the congregation.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com