tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post8583461557347379645..comments2024-03-27T15:47:46.091-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: And you also get to keep your old phone number. . .Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-44937944877461269062014-12-05T20:16:38.215-06:002014-12-05T20:16:38.215-06:00All these aguments could be used to defend the Mas...All these aguments could be used to defend the Mass not being translated into English. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-25914340666691868282014-11-15T09:25:35.250-06:002014-11-15T09:25:35.250-06:00Aren't so many (notice I didn't say all) o...Aren't so many (notice I didn't say all) of these contemporary, missional people really theologians of glory? Notice to whom they give credit for their plans, programs, ideas, results. Jesus gets mentioned at the first, when they're trying to get people on board to help with their agenda, but when people start filling their venues, who gets the credit? Usually the parking lot help, the small group leaders, etc.. Oh, Jesus may get a "hand" o round ofr applause when they talk about some miracle or their progress, but there's almost always a 180 to what they're doing, and who's (humanly) doing it.Janis Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947508427040251166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-54539806935707571112014-11-14T18:35:54.015-06:002014-11-14T18:35:54.015-06:00We DO need to be evangelical Lutherans. We, howev...We DO need to be evangelical Lutherans. We, however, are not the ones who do the converting. <br /><br />The Church and her Liturgy should not be adapted. The old language of the church and her Liturgy is the language of Scripture itself. Latin is a dead language, certainly, but medicine, biology, etc. don't function without it. <br /><br />Doctors and professionals in many areas must learn a new language for their vocation. Those who become Christians must learn a new language, also. If the Church speaks the language of the world, culture, etc. in order to bring people in, we are guilty of a bait and switch. Of course, if we don't teach those who do come in our language, we aren't; we are guilty of playing fast and loose with people's souls.Janis Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947508427040251166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-44105693731779576922014-11-14T08:41:19.112-06:002014-11-14T08:41:19.112-06:00Carl, not sure exactly what you mean by "L...Carl, not sure exactly what you mean by "Lufauxran" but I would add, we definitely need to maintain the liturgy, but why can we not be evangelistic and reach out the world at the same time? It is also biblical to "make disciples of all Nations".<br /><br />Perhaps, and this is a bold statement, we need to look at the Roman Catholic model of dealing with diverse groups within the church, such as different religious orders? This seems like a conundrum in itself, but at least they all claim to be "Catholic".<br /><br />CliffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-10128529709203753992014-11-14T08:27:37.251-06:002014-11-14T08:27:37.251-06:00Anonymous opines: This seems to be a war between i...Anonymous opines: <i>This seems to be a war between ideologies, what is more important, the Liturgy, or "making disciples of all nations. (people)".</i><br /><br />Another viiew is that, rather than the liturgy, the disagreement is over whether a Lufauxran can claim to be a Lutheran and remain in a Lutheran church body.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-48472465274144803402014-11-13T22:39:19.944-06:002014-11-13T22:39:19.944-06:00This seems to be a war between ideologies, what is...This seems to be a war between ideologies, what is more important, the Liturgy, or "making disciples of all nations. (people)". Many in LCMS have turned this into a battle of intellect, or of interpreting Scripture to their own satisfaction without obeying every Word of God.<br /><br />This is nonsense, and this war needs to end, as I am sure Satan is laughing his head off to see God's people embroiled in inner fighting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-66135379855460655112014-11-13T14:32:06.480-06:002014-11-13T14:32:06.480-06:00"According to Woolsey, 'My desire in sta..."According to Woolsey, 'My desire in starting CrossPoint [the LCMS congregation in Texas where he is Pastor] was to create a congregation that not only spoke the language of the local lost person but also loved that person so much we could not help but speak their language and love their music and adopt as many of their values as possible'.” <br /><br />This was not how the Church "worked" in the Graeco-Roman world in its foirst three centuries. Rather, it kept their "values" (including their music) at as far a distance as possible. That was because it didn't envisage Christian conversion as "accepting Jesus" and somehow fitting their new (private) faith into their preexisting culture, values and outlooks, but rather as initiating and requiring a change in all of these.<br /><br />Additionally, Pastor Woolsey's modus operandi seems more like what one would expect from Baptists, Methodists, or "American Evangelicals" generally.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-21342862754908281322014-11-13T13:32:31.009-06:002014-11-13T13:32:31.009-06:00Excellent.
Entertainment is first. Without it, y...Excellent.<br /><br /><i>Entertainment is first. <b>Without it, you can't sell the American people anything.</b> Frank Capra, movie director</i><br /><br />Is that the premise? To <i>sell </i>Jesus? I don't see that in Jesus' model or anywhere else in Scripture. The payment and satisfaction for sins is nowhere depicted as a "pretty" or a "fun" picture. How can you do that? It cannot be done. If people do not "get" sin -- they are not going to "get" propitiation, atonement, grace, justification, expiation -- either. <br /><br />Sorry, I have to relate this to big screens and jazzy music in church. The whole entertainment and marketing thing. The model of TV, movies, sports bars, etc. etc. etc.<br /><br />Visual communication can be used to show Jesus and the Cross and the Resurrection. But is that how the media is being used? I see the media being used -- almost always -- for the entertainment value.<br /><br />To copy the entertainment industry for church use is a failure to communicate. Doctrine and teaching get changed. It is so mixed up it isn't even funny. (Maybe the Resurrection is not even preached on Easter morning?!) <br /><br />Devise a little test and ask people in the pew what they believe about Christ and why they come to church. That might be a project we should undertake.<br /><br />AbbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-78256556331495142762014-11-13T11:54:34.492-06:002014-11-13T11:54:34.492-06:00Pastor Woolsey spoke at our church some weeks ago....Pastor Woolsey spoke at our church some weeks ago. At the time I was unable to put into words why much of his message left me feeling extremely uncomforable. Thank you for putting into words the reasons why I felt that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-56504860544603591942014-11-13T08:34:10.159-06:002014-11-13T08:34:10.159-06:00How is this difference from Israel in the OT wanti...How is this difference from Israel in the OT wanting to be like the nations and adopting their Gods?<br /><br />mark†Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-76175564557634540272014-11-13T08:04:14.420-06:002014-11-13T08:04:14.420-06:00Lufauxran Fivetwo flim-flammer Bill Woolsey has be...Lufauxran Fivetwo flim-flammer Bill Woolsey has been getting a lot of (bad, but free) publicity lately on various Lutheran blogs. Woolsey also received a couple of nominating votes for 1stVP and 9.7 % of the votes for West-Southwest Regional Vice-President in 2013. <br /><br />As has been made obvious, name recognition (rather than confessional Lutheranism) is the key to advancement up the corporate synodical ladder. Expect to see more votes for Woolsey in future synodical conventions.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com