tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post8948112483276606879..comments2024-03-29T04:31:15.219-05:00Comments on Pastoral Meanderings: Forget Lutheran, Evangelical is the problem word. . . Pastor Petershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10653554256101480140noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-77681253533465614222018-07-04T05:40:22.012-05:002018-07-04T05:40:22.012-05:00Regarding man-made climate change:
God's Cove...Regarding man-made climate change:<br /><br />God's Covenant with Noah<br />20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done. 22 While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”<br /><br />“While the earth remains” .... Who are you going to believe?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-12129642933432657032018-07-03T16:25:32.537-05:002018-07-03T16:25:32.537-05:00Rereading the posts, I can see that I was unclear....Rereading the posts, I can see that I was unclear. I agree with the judgment on the ELCA. What I meant was that those who ordain women have departed from the faith once delivered in a similar manner, so why would they not also be considered apostate?<br /><br />No slander was intended, and I apologise for that. I assume divorce and remarriage issues are handled pastorally, but I'm genuinely interested in the Lutheran position on this issue.<br /><br />I thought the post above yours hit the nail on the head.<br /><br />A. Mousse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-26515390560015547522018-07-03T15:21:18.031-05:002018-07-03T15:21:18.031-05:00Mr., A. Mous on July 3, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Perhaps ...Mr., A. Mous on July 3, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Perhaps Rev. Peters will have a column on divorced or adulterous LCMS pastors, which can be discussed in the comments. Until then we can talk about the apostate XXXA here.<br /><br />Mr. A. Mous on July 3, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Okay,we've got that marked down. Pres. Harrison says the XXXA is apostate; The CTCR, which includes three pastors, one district president, one parish teacher, four seminary professors, and one Missouri Synod college or university professor, with advisory members including the Synod's First Vice-President, and the presidents of the two Missouri Synod seminiaries, says the XXXA is apostate. And now we have you, Mr. Anony Mous who disagrees. Got it.<br /><br />Mr. A. Mous on July 3, 2018, at 9:52 AM and Mr. A. Mous on July 3, at 10:15 AM, well, there are circumstances in which divorce and subsequent remarriage is permitted. But, hey, you just go ahead and slander every divorced person with a false accusation, because you have a point to make, and that point reflects back on you.<br /><br />To all the Mouses who have tossed in red herrings of divorce by various people within the LCMS (rather than at least focusing on the theological position stated by the LCMS on divorce), none of this changes the reality and truth that, in the view of the LCMS, the theological position that same-sex couples may 'marry' and be 'ordained' has made the XXXA into apostate religious organization.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-71180253899193156892018-07-03T10:29:17.014-05:002018-07-03T10:29:17.014-05:00The point is REPENTANCE. Divorce, homosexuality, r...The point is REPENTANCE. Divorce, homosexuality, remarriage, cohabitation can be addressed in God-pleasing ways according to Scripture. These are not unforgivable sins. But sins to confess and then live according to God's Word. Who in the LCMS is not doing that? Our Synod has addressed these in accord with God's Word and in accord with God's people since Adam.<br /><br />But when a church body tells people it is God-pleasing to sin, true Christians must flee, are compelled to flee according to Scripture. But don't not let God's Word get in the way of what we want to do and how we don't want to be inconvenienced to leave a church that is no longer historically Christian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-71087824169332373012018-07-03T10:27:50.973-05:002018-07-03T10:27:50.973-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rev. Weinkaufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06109679164669873385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-71406077648312215682018-07-03T10:15:26.322-05:002018-07-03T10:15:26.322-05:00You want me to add words to the inspired Scripture...You want me to add words to the inspired Scriptures? Pass.<br /><br />The thing is, I tend to think you don't really believe that remarriage after divorce is adultery. Or that homosexuality is sin.<br /><br />I do, to both. So you called noone on their bluff.<br /><br />By all means, let's condemn all sinful behavior. The words of Christ and the blessed Apostle Paul are clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-9244013276469592842018-07-03T10:03:26.172-05:002018-07-03T10:03:26.172-05:00Because the ELCA still sadly call themselves '...Because the ELCA still sadly call themselves 'Lutherans' it does effect the LCMS. When the ELCA farts, the LCMS smells it. Thanks be to God there are still some in the ELCA saved, while the church is telling many people, do not repent of certain sins -which is preaching people to hell.<br /><br />The ELCA publicly states the Bible has errors and contradictions. No one can honestly dispute that because the ELCA actually state it. So women ordination, abortion, and gay marriage is God-pleasing in their own minds regardless. Even the greatest women, Mary isn't qualified to be a pastor (Acts 1) and regardless of numerous Scriptural citations on women, life, and sexual behavior, people set themselves ABOVE Scripture to decide and thus become a god unto themselves (that's why the term apostasy is used.)<br /><br />But as currents trends continue, the ELCA will be smaller than the LCMS in 8 years and will be almost non-existent in 15 years (if they don't merge with the UMC break-off which will happen next year or other liberal bodies.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-525570345734675182018-07-03T09:56:50.171-05:002018-07-03T09:56:50.171-05:00do a word search on this site for "gays"...do a word search on this site for "gays" and then one for "remarried", "divorced", "adultery".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-55971171949237402772018-07-03T09:52:27.466-05:002018-07-03T09:52:27.466-05:00to which we can add, adulterers--all the divorced ...to which we can add, adulterers--all the divorced and remarried folk in the LCMS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-42759530079261627952018-07-03T08:55:34.503-05:002018-07-03T08:55:34.503-05:00Yes, that is a problem. Let's have a separate...Yes, that is a problem. Let's have a separate post about that. But in light of your "On second thought, let's bash the XXXA for welcoming gays instead" comment, I have to assume you're just lashing out and you're not really concerned about it. Nobody has a problem with "welcoming gays". Jesus sinners doth receive. <br /><br />And yet, we should unashamedly say with St. Paul "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" Amen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-11601228232140490242018-07-03T08:45:40.523-05:002018-07-03T08:45:40.523-05:00I have to say, using the logic of that document, w...I have to say, using the logic of that document, we ought to consider women-ordaining communions apostate as well. Which I don't disagree with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-70152851014011677132018-07-03T08:41:34.195-05:002018-07-03T08:41:34.195-05:00I understand this would cause you to bristle. I a...I understand this would cause you to bristle. I assume it's because you love people in the ELCA. Do you agree with these doctrines of the ELCA? If you do, why are you concerned with what those backwards fundamentalist "xxMx" people think? If you don't, why not accept the criticism and follow through on the uncomfortable logic? After all, He will come to be our judge.<br /><br />Pastor Peters is a pretty equal opportunity critic, I think most readers pay very little attention to posts like this because they're over the ELCA. This stuff is pretty old news. I don't think he cares too much about stirring up comments. The papist posts get a lot more comments if that's his goal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-62802233558797684042018-07-03T08:38:03.619-05:002018-07-03T08:38:03.619-05:00Let's talk about divorced and remarried XXMX l...Let's talk about divorced and remarried XXMX laity and clergy that are not only not excommunicated for ongoing adultery but are welcomed into XXMX congregations as leaders. On second thought, let's bash the XXXA for welcoming gays instead. Takes the heat off us. "I thank Thee Lord..."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-22492790014815915472018-07-03T08:13:08.595-05:002018-07-03T08:13:08.595-05:00No need to "bash" the XXXA. The XXXA&#...No need to "bash" the XXXA. The XXXA's own words and actions has bashed itself into apostasy.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-16725075553336738862018-07-03T07:36:44.262-05:002018-07-03T07:36:44.262-05:00How to excite one's readers and boost comments...How to excite one's readers and boost comments? Bash the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Thanks be to God for the witness of the xxMx.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329600504016968888.post-53254685354948966142018-07-03T07:24:08.387-05:002018-07-03T07:24:08.387-05:00In 2001 the LCMS convention confirmed President Al...In 2001 the LCMS convention confirmed President Al Barry's statement that the XXXA was no longer an orthodox Lutheran church body. In 2009, then Matthew Harrison publicly declared that <a href="http://cyclopedia.lcms.org/display.asp?t1=A&word=APOSTASY" rel="nofollow">apostasy</a> was the word to describe the XXXA. This was confirmed by the LCMS CTCR in an <a href="http://lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=1820" rel="nofollow">April 2012 document</a> that stated the XXXA "has now taken this step, embodying <a href="http://cyclopedia.lcms.org/display.asp?t1=A&word=APOSTASY" rel="nofollow">apostasy</a> from the faith once delivered to the saints."<br /><br />As an <a href="http://cyclopedia.lcms.org/display.asp?t1=A&word=APOSTASY" rel="nofollow">apostate</a> (nonChristian) religious organization, the XXXA is not Evangelical, Lutheran or a Church, in the Christian understanding. Their religious rites have all the efficacy of a Hollywood movie scene. <br /><br />Saying there may be Christian individuals in a XXXA gathering is no different than saying there may be Christian individuals in a whorehouse.Carl Vehsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00348831096001668813noreply@blogger.com