Thursday, May 19, 2016

Without Precedent. . .

I have heard many arguments in favour of women's ordination but not yet a good one. . . from onetime Anglican and now Monsignor Graham Leonard.

Churches in search of a program for gender equality look in vain for support in Scripture, the catholic tradition, and the catholic practice of the ages.  But you would not know it by reading those who advocate the ordination of women.  They are hopelessly optimistic when it comes to searching for any hint of support they can use to justify a deviation from the norm to support the ordination of women (including downright deception!).

About the best you can come up with is what Bishop Michael Adie claimed:  [the ordination of women] is a reasoned development, consonant with Scripture, required by tradition.  The first part is entirely true to the modern mindset -- the ordination of women is reasonable and reasonable justice to a world in love with egalitarian ideals.  Unfortunately, however, Scripture and tradition are the problem children in a search for an argument to support the ordination of women.

So Geoffrey Kirk begins His conclusion to Without Precedent -- a volume which does not argue against the ordination of women but dismantles the ordinary arguments typically used to justify and support this practice.  Too many believe that if the exact question is not framed in the exact same way in Scripture or tradition, the the best we can say is that Scripture and tradition are silent on the matter or inconclusive.  Strangely enough, those churches who would strongly insist that doctrine and faith are not established by democratic vote appeal to the weight of a democratic vote to establish and give approval to the ordination of women.

How are the ordination of women and the ordination of GLBT folks related?  It is not that the practices are tied together but the rationale for one becomes the fertile ground to establish another practice in conflict with Scripture and the catholic tradition.  In other words, if a church has already devalued the clear and implied voice of Scripture and the severe lack of precedent in history, then what is to prevent this methodology from being used for other causes for which Scripture is either clearly or implicitly opposed to or on which tradition has not declared itself clearly.


John Joseph Flanagan said...

The ordination of women or LGBT individuals cannot be justified by any scriptural interpretation whatsoever, but those who promote this idea are unrelenting in shaping a false narrative to support it. It is the same as the strategy of a communist or Fascist, which are rooted in progressive liberalism and secular humanism: " Repeat a lie often enough until people start to believe it."

Anonymous said...

The foolishness has been going on long enough that its error is becoming self-evident. Those church groups that practice ordination of women had lost members by the millions, and those that remain are largely women. This single factor has driven men out of the church in droves.

So, ... not only is it contrary to Scripture and Tradition, but it has been demonstrated to be devastating. The parallel with AIDS is remarkable.


Carl Vehse said...

The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod's Commission on Theology and Church Relations includes three pastors, one district president, one parish teacher, four seminary professors, and one Missouri Synod college or university professor; the CTCR advisory members include the Synodical President, the Synod's First Vice-President, and the presidents of the two Missouri Synod seminiaries.

Both the current Missouri Synod President (prior to his becoming president) and the CTCR have declared the XXXA, which does have LGBT pastrixes, as embodying apostasy.

However, LCMS leaders continue to play spin-the-theological-bottle games with religious bodies (NALC, CORE, ACNA, EECMY, ECAC-CR, ECAC-SK) that do have heterosexual pastorettes and that have expressed no interest in giving up the practice.

Janis Williams said...
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Janis Williams said...

It has always been not a little ironic to me that those who want such things will diligently search Scripture to make up their argument. However, when it comes to the Truth of the Gospel, they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag with the 'Sword of the Word.'