Wednesday, November 28, 2018

Interesting. . .

Here are two parts of a video to encourage vocations to the monastic life, and, in accompanying this, to the priesthood.  Look at the video from the perspective of history and how it speaks from and to a different age, one now gone, that shall not be replicated again.

Of course it is dated -- it was meant to be current when it was produced.  And I am not suggesting that you consider this a call to you for a new vocation.  What I find interesting is the comparison to the present day and a consideration of how things have changed.


Carl Vehse said...

Here are some links to what the Lutheran Confessions have to say about monastic vows:

Augsburg Confession, Article XXVII: Of Monastic Vows

The Apology, Article XXVII: (XIII): Of Monastic Vows.

Smalcald Articles, Part III, Article XIV. Of Monastic Vows

Anonymous said...

As was true at the time of Luther and well-known throughout the Church for hundreds of years earlier, monastic communities were hotbeds of sexual perversion, deviance and unfaithfulness. I find nothing appealing, in any way, shape or form, to these appeals for men to assume vows contrary to the Word of God.

Anonymous said...

I am not personally drawn to monasticism, but I see no harm at all in it for those who are. I have known several who are, or would eventually become, monks, and there is nothing perverted or abnormal about them. It is wicked to assume that monastics are any worse morally than mankind in general.


Anonymous said...

Oh Carl aka Richard,

You can quote all of the heretical documents listed but what does it matter? Monasticism had been around for more than a millennium before the self-involved and overly scrupulous Martin Luther came along. You can quote ad nauseum those heretical and erroneous "confessions" but you lose.

Carl Vehse said...

Anon 2:42,

I've provided links to excerpts from the Lutheran Confessions, which are a true and unadulterated statement and exposition of the Word of God.

I've quoted nothing here from any heretical papal bulls of the Antichrist.

Anonymous said...

You don't know what you are talking about. Everything that Luther did comes from the Antichrist who hates the Church and used his pawn M. Luther do destroy the unity of Christianity. It seems your eyes have been blinded to the truth and your heart hardened as well. "... because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And the prophecy of Isaias is fulfilled in them, who saith: By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive.
For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Strickert,

Are you a loner? Are you one of those so-called "Christians" who gloat about themselves and look down upon all those who are non-Lutheran or as you put in Lufauxeran? Do you pray for others who don't hold the same belief as you or do you find pleasure when they fall and make mistakes? Do you let your right hand see what the left does or are you like the Pharisees who praise themselves such as the one in the parable of the Pharisee and the publican?

Daniel G. said...

Anonymous, anonymous, go easy on the poor bloke. It's unfortunate that ther are people like him on both sides of the fence who do more harm than good. It's obvious that he doesn't know much else besides his beloved Confessions etc. We should pray for poor people like him who do more to rend the unity of Christians rather than come together to find common ground and fight the ills of society.

Carl Vehse said...

Anon. 4:36 and 4:46, and Daniel G. might need some laxative. Their posts contain a lot of gassy claims and rhetorical questions, but have no associated substantiation.

While my earlier post provided three links to excerpts from the Lutheran Confessions, these three posts have shown only contempt and mockery for my posting them.

William Tighe said...

Did not "Lutheran monasteries" continue to exist in Germany for nearly a hundred years after the Reformation, Amelungsborn and Loccum down to the Eighteenth Century, and some Lutheran nunneries (which gradually declined into residences for unmarriageable aristocratic ladies) - not to be confused with the later "deaconess communities" - even longer?

Carl Vehse said...

There are several Lutheran monasteries in Germany.

A discussion of Lutheran convents in Germany is in "Discovering Living Lutheran Convents in Germany," by David Zersen.

Anonymous said...

The monasteries were not the issue but the vows. An argument can be made that the beloved CUS could use a little bit more monastery in the make up of her member institutions than that of Big State U.

Part II, Article III: Of Chapters and Cloisters.

1] That chapters and cloisters [colleges of canons and communistic dwellings], which were formerly founded with the good intention [of our forefathers] to educate learned men and chaste [and modest] women, ought again to be turned to such use, in order that pastors, preachers, and other ministers of the churches may be had, and likewise other necessary persons [fitted] for [the political administration of] the secular government [or for the commonwealth] in cities and countries, and well-educated, maidens for mothers and housekeepers, etc.

2] If they will not serve this purpose, it is better that they be abandoned or razed, rather than [continued and], with their blasphemous services invented by men, regarded as something better than the ordinary Christian life and the offices and callings ordained by God. For all this also is contrary to the first chief article concerning the redemption made through Jesus Christ. Add to this that (like all other human inventions) these have neither been commanded; they are needless and useless, and, besides, afford occasion for dangerous and vain labor [dangerous annoyances and fruitless worship], such services as the prophets call Aven, i.e., pain and labor.